| GOT BOOST |
I have read with great interest over the last few days the reports that have come in. I have been quite amused by the reports as they flowed in by non confirmed facts.
It appears the final cause of death was not an assassination by bullet or bomb, more of smacking her head on a sunroof lever.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiap...iday/index.html
So is it safe to say she was not assassinated, but killed by not following the keep all your hands and body parts inside the vehicle while it is in motion?
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She was assassinated by her vehicle?
Will there be new law and legislation passed to ban and prohibits sunroofs to be installed in vehicles? :lol:
At any rate a victim of unfortunate events.
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Who???
You should learn more history my firend. Especiall in politicialy unstable countries who's political out come could have an effect on us. :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Who???
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| BRITAIN1.8 |
| I've been reading alot about her recently since Musharaff came into power... any president that wishes to be adressed as "genereal" shouldn't be a president IMO. It's clear he has no regard for his own people (Imprisoning layers and docters who spoke out against him and killing 170 people to finally get Bhutto)...Bhutto was the only person who still had lines of communication with him and was keeping them open! He's sealed his own fate... It's obvious he's responsible for this and it was foreshadowed by the killing of Bhutto's two brothers in similar fashions. Hopefully Bush will get in there before re-election time! Screw Iran, get this mofo. |
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| Beerking |
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Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Who???
You serious?!?!! You must be American than.
All I can say is that unfortunately Im not surprised that she was finally killed. It was just a matter of time, especially as soon as she returned from exile.
Lets hope that this does not get out of hand. |
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| arabian_ryda |
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Originally posted by Beerking
Lets hope that this does not get out of hand.
it already has |
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| Mustard |
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
I have read with great interest over the last few days the reports that have come in. I have been quite amused by the reports as they flowed in by non confirmed facts.
It appears the final cause of death was not an assassination by bullet or bomb, more of smacking her head on a sunroof lever.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiap...iday/index.html
So is it safe to say she was not assassinated, but killed by not following the keep all your hands and body parts inside the vehicle while it is in motion?
Or
She was assassinated by her vehicle?
Will there be new law and legislation passed to ban and prohibits sunroofs to be installed in vehicles? :lol:
At any rate a victim of unfortunate events.
Mike
Ok, so let me get this straight... you're saying she wasn't killed by the bomb or the gunshots, and therefore she was not assisinated?
BUT, the fact there there WAS a bomb and three gunshots aimed at her doesn't phase you at all. You'd rather put more emphasis on the fact that she died from a blow to the head and her death was self inflicted?... despite it being caused by her need to DUCK, while a BOMB IS BLOWING UP, intended to KILL HER?
wow... just, wow.
That is insanely over scrutinizing, you know that right?
This is cause and effect...simply put. had there not been an ATTEMPT to kill her, she would not have ducked. The way I see it, it doesn't matter HOW she died exactly, the assasination was succesful. |
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| Beerking |
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Originally posted by arabian_ryda
it already has
Well I know that it has in Pakistan with all the riots and such, but I hope that it does not escalate outside of it. |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by Mustard
Ok, so let me get this straight... you're saying she wasn't killed by the bomb or the gunshots, and therefore she was not assisinated?
BUT, the fact there there WAS a bomb and three gunshots aimed at her doesn't phase you at all. You'd rather put more emphasis on the fact that she died from a blow to the head and her death was self inflicted?... despite it being caused by her need to DUCK, while a BOMB IS BLOWING UP, intended to KILL HER?
wow... just, wow.
That is insanely over scrutinizing, you know that right?
This is cause and effect...simply put. had there not been an ATTEMPT to kill her, she would not have ducked. The way I see it, it doesn't matter HOW she died exactly, the assasination was succesful.
Nothing phases me anymore.
The true meaning of assassination
Main Entry: as新as新i搖ate
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈsa-sə-ˌn漮\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): as新as新i搖at搪d; as新as新i搖at搏ng
Date: 1607
1 : to injure or destroy unexpectedly and treacherously
2 : to murder (a usually prominent person) by sudden or secret attack often for political reasons
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/assassination
By that defination and the facts supported she was merely ducking out of the way of the explosion and unfortunately smacked her head and fractured her skull in the process. (self inflicted) If there was a loud bang near by and she ducked with the same result would that classify as an assassination? I think not. Cause and effect. The intended explosion of the bomb, nor the gunshots did not kill her. If they had, then yes it would be an assassination.
At any rate it will be interesting to see how this unfolds from this point forward.
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| BRITAIN1.8 |
| Officially she died from a gunshot wound to the neck. It was an assasination.. I thoght GOTBOOST was being sarcastic haha |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by BRITAIN1.8
Officially she died from a gunshot wound to the neck. It was an assasination.. I thoght GOTBOOST was being sarcastic haha
yeah I was. :lol: But I decided to roll with it to see who else would get their panties in a bunch.
But the official report is the skull fracture caused when she hit her head on the sunroof lever.
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| someguyincanada |
| her death affects me how? :dunno: |
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| blondy |
It was just a matter of time...her name was on a death slip the day she returned and who is to say if she hadn't smacked her head as they are saying now she wouldn't have died from either the bullets or the suicide bomber...I don't believe she would have lived to the elections. Saying she smacked her head maybe will lessen the tensions .000%
She was very well educated...intelligent woman most articulate with a great sense of humor. It is astonishing really how women in Sri Lanka, Pakistan, India and even Bangladesh can rise to top positions in Politics in apparently very conservative and "backward" countries.
Her death is very saddening in many respects not only does it plunge Pakistan to Iraq-like status but also the effect on women's roles in these societies...she was a very important role model...the one hope in a chaotic Pakistan.
If you are familiar at all with Middle East politics and going ons...this murder is very close to that of Antoine Ghanem. Both of them returned to their homeland...both from UAE and both were murdered...anyhow these sorts of groups are also all over Lebanon actually all over the world...their only purpose is to work hard day and night to undermine democracy
Many saw her as a threat...many are pointing also to Pervez Musharraf...who would see his power cut immensly if she was elected...for sure the murderers only gain by her death to keep Pakistan in chaos
Respects to this woman who not only made it in a severly male dominated society...but also a society of religious extremists...savages and terrorists
May she rest in peace now...she was most courageous
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| blondy |
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Originally posted by someguyincanada
her death affects me how? :dunno:
That is a highly loaded question....
Open your eyes....the world it is a changing |
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| someguyincanada |
blondy i personally dont care whats happening in pakistan right now with thier politics. do i vote in thier elections? no i dont. yea she was a woman in a male society, congrats to her getting where she got to, and im sorry she lost her life to being a woman. is it going to affect me in any way that i can see? no. since when did pakistan become a part of canada? i must have slept though that class in school....
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Originally posted by blondy
That is a highly loaded question....
Open your eyes....the world it is a changing
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| blondy |
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Originally posted by someguyincanada
blondy i personally dont care whats happening in pakistan right now with thier politics. do i vote in thier elections? no i dont. yea she was a woman in a male society, congrats to her getting where she got to, and im sorry she lost her life to being a woman. is it going to affect me in any way that i can see? no. since when did pakistan become a part of canada? i must have slept though that class in school....
With all due respect am not trying to be smart a$$ with you in any way but....wake up
Of course SHE doesn't effect your life...my life...
This is another act of terrorism and terrorism effects each and everyone of us....I don't care who you are...where you are...religion...nationality....it effects everyone of us....people are changing...the world is changing... |
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| someguyincanada |
the only reason it got on the news was cause...
A. some high polictial person lost thier life
B. she was female
C. There were lots of injuries and death
D. there was "terrorism" links
The funny thing i was looking thou the channels and every channel tonight is broadcasting that. I would like to bring to your attention this litttle story snippet. It didnt make CNN's front page cause there were no deaths etc. but its still war related....
Chicago-area groups gave a soldier and his wife a 2008 Chevy Silverado for Christmas with thanks for his service in Iraq. Mark returned home in April recovering from gunshot wounds.
entire story here |
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| blondy |
I don't have control over what makes the headlines and what doesn't...no death blood or gore is not seen as newsworthy...how sad
I do thank you for the story...there are many many heart warming stories out there...for example an old Cuda was restored and is waiting for a man named Don Moore to come safely home from Iraq
Anyways I guess I was just trying to convey...that just because it didn't happen on our street corner doesn't mean it doesn't have an effect on us
I guess asking the brave men and women who are fighting for our continued freedom and safety could enlighten us all on how crimes over there do have an effect on us
Thank you for your replies
God Bless |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by someguyincanada
blondy i personally dont care whats happening in pakistan right now with thier politics. do i vote in thier elections? no i dont. yea she was a woman in a male society, congrats to her getting where she got to, and im sorry she lost her life to being a woman. is it going to affect me in any way that i can see? no. since when did pakistan become a part of canada? i must have slept though that class in school....
Dude.....
You should really read up on history and see exactly what is happening in the middle east and open your eyes.
This does not have an immediate consequence on you yet...it could though.
Pakistan is a nuclear country in Turmoil. Pakistan happens to be very close to Afghanistan. It would be very easy for a terrorist regime to take control of this nuclear country and use it towards their advantage.
There is a lot more going on behind the scenes than what you realize.
I suppose ignorance is bliss.
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| someguyincanada |
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
Dude.....
You should really read up on history and see exactly what is happening in the middle east and open your eyes.
This does not have an immediate consequence on you yet...it could though.
Pakistan is a nuclear country in Turmoil. Pakistan happens to be very close to Afghanistan. It would be very easy for a terrorist regime to take control of this nuclear country and use it towards their advantage.
There is a lot more going on behind the scenes than what you realize.
I suppose ignorance is bliss.
Mike
Mike
One nuke would clear the problem up really fast and before it gets to be a flame war about that. I choose to be ignorant on the middle east, we have enough problems here... |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by someguyincanada
Mike
One nuke would clear the problem up really fast and before it gets to be a flame war about that. I choose to be ignorant on the middle east, we have enough problems here...
I understand your point, yet disagree with your solution of one nuke would take care of it. That my friend would be only the beginning...not the end.
The issues with the middle east stretch far beyond than you may realize at this time.
Perhaps that is best for you to remain ignorant.
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by someguyincanada
the only reason it got on the news was cause...
A. some high polictial person lost thier life
B. she was female
C. There were lots of injuries and death
D. there was "terrorism" links
The funny thing i was looking thou the channels and every channel tonight is broadcasting that. I would like to bring to your attention this litttle story snippet. It didnt make CNN's front page cause there were no deaths etc. but its still war related....
Chicago-area groups gave a soldier and his wife a 2008 Chevy Silverado for Christmas with thanks for his service in Iraq. Mark returned home in April recovering from gunshot wounds.
entire story here
Bhutto's story has been in the papers for years, and a lot in Canadian news since the fall. It has nothing to do with her being a woman. Zero. She is the daughter of an assassinated Prime Minister, and now fourth Bhutto killed in the line of politics.
Musharraf had elections coming up soon, after stealing power in a coup years ago, and to gain public favour he allowed Benazir and the ousted Prime Minister back into the country. But not before declaring an Emergency and dismantling the Judiciary system and putting most of the Lawyers and Judges in prison. He had the laws changed so he could remain the Commander of the Army while being an elected President. Bhutto let back in, but banned from rallying with supporters before elections, due to the dangers of the declared Emergency. Her house surrounded to ensure that she stayed home, while the public showing up for the rallies were put in prison by the thousands. Innocent people practicing democracy in a democratic country with supposed free and fair elections. The former PM let back in was banned from running because he had already served a term............ that Musharraf cut short.
Now comes Bhutto. She's been targeted for assassination since the day she got back, literally. An attempt was made that day, while making a procession driving through towns, which Musharraf told her not to do. Another attempt was made soon after, and here we are at the end of it. The end of her, anyway.
Why it affects you? This is a UN nation, and a Commonwealth one as well. A democratic nation being held by a Military Dictator. Hopefully our leaders realise that this is leading to a civil war, if political action isn't taken. Musharraf has already bent to the will of allied leaders with tremendous pressure, but he's still a dictator ignoring the laws of his own nation and acting desperate.
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| GOT BOOST |
Well said Old Raven...Well Said. :beer:
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| someguyincanada |
| is this going to be another saddam husseim (sp) type of fight?? yes our troops are next door, WW3 anyone? |
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| quick_gold |
Thanks to Mike, OldRaven and Blony for your replies. I dont think i have alot to add, but to here i go anyways.
First of all, it might be naive to assume that Musharraff is the one to blame directly for the assassination. Elements of his regime might be, and his actions have most certainly indirectly led to this. Yet according to wat i have been reading recently, he was the one to gain the most with Buttho's return as i understand they had formed an unofficial alliance. His main battle was and still is with Nawaz Sharif the prime minister he ousted in his quo.
Musharraf is however, playing a very dangerous game, much the same like the one Sadat played in Egypt and we all know wat that resulted in. Musharraf like Sadat before him cranked down on civil society organizations and activist while at the same time letting the "extremist islamists" reign free. Yes there was the red mosque incident, yet Musharraf had to do it to show them he was still running the show. Anyhow its quite complicated, such is the way our (middle eastern) politics, and the politics of dictatorships.
The simple connection to Canada though is IMHO clear. Sadat's politics led to Ayman El-Zawahery, who know who this might lead to?(of course again it is much more complicated than that) |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by quick_gold
First of all, it might be naive to assume that Musharraff is the one to blame directly for the assassination.
Yes. And that's just it. He's not directly to blame. But it does not excuse the overwhelming volume of motive he would have to be rid of Bhutto. She personally said that she believed the first attempt on her life was organised, if not carried out by Pakistani military officials. Sharif carries a lot of weight with the people, being elected by the people, but he still was ineligible to run again. Bhutto was actually running, and had a legacy with the people. A few moments to look at the faces of the mourning masses at her funeral shows how much support the people gave her. She was, to many, the way back to democracy. |
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| THUD |
As soon as she came outta exile I knew she was dead, I feel like there was something I could have done but didn't.
She did know what fate lye ahead too and she still went for what she believed was right and good for the people and I commend her for that.
It's a rare and pleasant sight to see someone release the fire in there belly and move so many people in so many ways with grace and flow such as she did and so she shall be missed. :bowdown:
Soon the 7 kings of Persia will rise and rule the kingdoms once aging and bring what was lost back from the ruins of time and dark ashes war, the rivers will flow with water and and the people will thrive in an oasis that is lush and for a time it will be good.
The corruption in the country's political setup is dangerous and they are a nuclear power and with the whole Iraq, Iran and destruction of Israel...Hmmm that whole area in general being what it is really needs some help.
They just might have to take a big huge deep breath and just let them beat the shit outta each other just get the fucking war outta the way and some new lines be drawin. :beer: |
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| Mustard |
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Originally posted by someguyincanada
her death affects me how? :dunno:
aside from the other stuff mentioned, which is all VERY good.
Especially that which Raven wrote.
This is a car forum, so i will appeal to your car loving sensibilities.
This situation is similar to any in the middle east.
Unrest = Excuse for Oil/Gas prices to go up.
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And that saddest thing there, of course, is that a LOT of people will base their political opinion's on EXACTLY that sort of thing. |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by Mustard
aside from the other stuff mentioned, which is all VERY good.
Especially that which Raven wrote.
This is a car forum, so i will appeal to your car loving sensibilities.
This situation is similar to any in the middle east.
Unrest = Excuse for Oil/Gas prices to go up.
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And that saddest thing there, of course, is that a LOT of people will base their political opinion's on EXACTLY that sort of thing.
Well put.
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| blondy |
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Originally posted by THUD
As soon as she came outta exile I knew she was dead, I feel like there was something I could have done but didn't.
She did know what fate lye ahead too and she still went for what she believed was right and good for the people and I commend her for that.
I think we all including herself knew what lay ahead...but she was for the people and gave her life for the people...unfortunately now it's what is going to happen to the people?
She fingers Mussharaf as a big part of the blame for her death in an email she sent to her American advisor stating it not be released until after her death but also saying "Nothing will, God willing happen"
This whole assassination rings very close to the past Prime Minister Rafic Hariri assassination in Lebanon back in 2005...Abou Adas admitted to that assassination...same now the Pakistan Government is saying it is the Al Qaeda that assassinated Benazir Bhutto.
Really there are no motives or interests for the Al Qaeda to kill her off...only they come in handy to cover the real killers...the ones who have a responsibility to the security in the country
Also being that their was no autopsy done on her (being she is a woman)...I am not believing so much that it was a bang to her head...this just seems to take the heat away from her being "assassinated" comes off now like it was an "accident" amazing how they brush the importance of not only a shooter but a suicide bomber under the rug.
Why aren't people questioning the fact that Zardari did not allow the postmortem to be conducted? And the crime scene immediately washed down with pressure hoses !! That will be a great help for the investigators :rolleyes:
The world will never get the full story unfortunately as there are so many interested parties that want to cover up the facts to cover their own hides
Taliban / Al - Qaeeda has assumed responsibility but then who knows.. They may want to take credit of this very high profile killing to show their strength
This attack and pretty much all others in the Arab and Muslim world usually have something to do with the big picture...stir up disunity and chaos in the region and the rippling effects are felt everywhere.
High profile murder cases are seldom solved or charged in the court of law. |
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| THUD |
I was watching the BBC last night and they had a much better camera veiw, there was one dude with a hand gun that fired a bunch of rounds at her and then a second guy that poped a bomb off.
Earlyer back when she had first came back the Pakistani government was saying they were in heated battle with the Taliban/Al qaeda in the northern regions of the country and that they were trying to move in on the chaos and make it worse.
Now if the current self proclaimed ruler of pakistan was to be poped off then who would be blamed? |
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