| stealth |
Just been thinking lately, and was is really important to you at this point in your life?
Money?
Job?
Hoes?
What?
I have been doing a lot of thinking and I always thought money was #1, and that it could bring happiness and everything you ever wanted and needed.
But my now I see the clear view and believe family is always #1 (not that I didn't think that before), and having fun. You do not need A LOT of money to have fun and enjoy life to its full potential.
What are your thoughts? |
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| dc2696 |
| Money is nice but what matters most to me is time. Time to spend with the gf, family, working on/racing my car, I work anywhere from 120-170 hours in 10 days usually out of town (with weekends always off, unless I feel like working them). I prefer this to say spending 2 weeks, a month, 3 months out of town then being home for however long, because I dont lose touch with people like I used to working away all the time. |
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| blondy |
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Originally posted by stealth
Just been thinking lately, and was is really important to you at this point in your life?
Nice post and I see you are in England...have a wonderful new year!!
My dad was in a horrific auto accident about this time few years back...in a coma for ever...alive but never to come home again.
That was the wake call I needed. My dad...family...the simple things in life those are the most important things to me...
I wake up every morning and the rest is all a bonus
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| stealth |
Sorry to hear that.
I couldn't imagine having to deal with that.
One of the reasons I thought about this is because a lot of people work TONS, and spend little time doing fun stuff. It seems like work is on our minds 90% of the time, and time flies by and you miss life.
You have a good New Year also!:thumbup: |
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| REFLUX |
Gotta agree with you guys on this one.
Time & family/friends.
Money is a tool to get something done, a means.
It surely is not an end. |
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| blondy |
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Originally posted by stealth
One of the reasons I thought about this is because a lot of people work TONS, and spend little time doing fun stuff. It seems like work is on our minds 90% of the time, and time flies by and you miss life.
Agree...that's the way it is in todays world.....if nothing else to keep the bills paid. Which is really sad...I always thought I was also suppose to reap some benefit from all the work I do.
So I MAKE the time...no matter what...even if its just to catch a coffee with a close friend...or spend few hours at the track...visit with my dad...if you have to pencil it in on the calender so be it...
Life is all about effort...you get back what you put into it
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P.S. and thanks for the kind words |
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| Flex |
| I always say I work to live......not live to work. I also value my time. I see so many people that work tons of hours and have alot of nice stuff, but they never have the time to enjoy it....whats the point then hey. I dont enjoy having the toys so I like the money but I would have to agree that friends and family are number 1 on my list as well. |
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| AudiInProgress |
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Originally posted by REFLUX
Gotta agree with you guys on this one.
Time & family/friends.
Money is a tool to get something done, a means.
It surely is not an end.
Terry giving some awesome input instead of asking for it! My world is upside down!!
Seriously, that's the most level-headed response ever, and I agree 10000000%
I'd also like to add that the most important thing to me, is happiness, the happiness of my family and friends... I'm only on this earth for a short time, and I want to enjoy myself, spending time with my wife is the most enjoyable thing I can think of... Money enables us to experience new things together, and therefore and important part of my life plan.
I don't need a lot of money, and I'd rather work for a lower salary in a job I truly enjoy, opposed to working a job I fucking hate (like the rigs) and making more money.
Quality of life FTMFW! |
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| newred |
| Happy Happy, Joy Joy:beer: |
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| katrink |
MY KITTIES!
miso and mowmow
I guess my bf too and stuff...
KITTIES!
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| arabian_ryda |
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Originally posted by stealth
Sorry to hear that.
I couldn't imagine having to deal with that.
One of the reasons I thought about this is because a lot of people work TONS, and spend little time doing fun stuff. It seems like work is on our minds 90% of the time, and time flies by and you miss life.
You have a good New Year also!:thumbup:
so true. i hate the way things are. i work 12hrs X 6 days a week and on my day off i have to get supplys and do all the arons i couldnt do during the week cause i was at work.
i havent been on a vacation in 3.5 years bro.
money family happiness it all matters cant get far without one or the other. u cant go anywhere in thsi country without spending money. u cant be happy without friends and the way things are today everybodys 2 faced its the new style so whos really left to trust in this world other then your family.
to say the least im sick of this whole life it has no meaning sometimes |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by dc2696
Money is nice but what matters most to me is time. Time to spend with the gf, family, working on/racing my car
Big 2nd here! :thumbup:
Time definitely trumps money IMO. And the older I get the more important that seems to become.
For me it goes something like:
Family > Time > Toys/Hobbies > Money
But there's obviously some inter-relationships there.
To me accumulating money just for the sake of it (a number in a numbered account) seems silly, without the toys/hobbies to enjoy with it. That can include cars, vacations, activities, etc. But I can also see the point someone made about having the toys being pointless if you don't have the time to use them.
I'll second the comments already mentioned:
- Work to Live, not Live to Work
- Money is a means, not an end |
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| civicHB |
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Originally posted by arabian_ryda
so true. i hate the way things are. i work 12hrs X 6 days a week and on my day off i have to get supplys and do all the arons i couldnt do during the week cause i was at work.
i havent been on a vacation in 3.5 years bro.
money family happiness it all matters cant get far without one or the other. u cant go anywhere in thsi country without spending money. u cant be happy without friends and the way things are today everybodys 2 faced its the new style so whos really left to trust in this world other then your family.
to say the least im sick of this whole life it has no meaning sometimes
this is exactly how i feel, work work work and have money but feel like there is no meaning. |
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| ehos |
[RANT ON, Prepare to be offended!]
GRINDERS!
I hate grinders. With a passion. And yet, I'm surrounded by them. I live in the mini city of Grinders (Ft. Mac being #1). People work to work. Not to live. They only think about work, or are resting from work or .... (insert work).
People grind 8-10 hours (or more a day) so they can 'enjoy' time with their families (by spending 90% away from them!).
Or they put their kids in daycare. Why have kids if you can't look after them? Or they delay getting married because they can't afford it (or due to work). Or they don't get married because they're too busy 'enjoying' the 2 days of life they have on the weekend (chasing women who also only have time for you 2 days of the week). No wonder people have such shitty 'relationship's here. People live through their friends because they are available when they are (ie AFTER WORK). Or worse, work friends. Reminds me of the term 'single serving friend'. (Fight Club was a statement about our society, which most people seemed to miss even though the message was so clear).
And, the sad part is they are so brainwashed into 'liking' work, they are so adamant in protecting their way of life, they take it as a personal affront if you say anything about their precious god 'work'. (Or money).
As soon people are 'comfortable' making a decent living (which never seems to come), they buy a bigger house, or get more debt. So they are basically FORCED to work. No one has any real savings to speak of. Or if they do, it's just a number that can never be used (until they 'retire').
When they 'retire' they miss the daily grind of their work and die fast. (It's true, you should see the stats on death after retirement, it's shocking...)
Man is a habitual animal. He needs to grind. He cannot live without the grind. He is also an accumulator. Look at all the World of Warcraft. All you are doing is accumulating a number. That's why man loves money. You can't help it, but do people have to be so overt about it?
Fuck grinders, I loathe you! I see that sleep deprived dullness to you. Go enjoy your 'partying' on the weekend (smart! work 5 days so you can live for one day!). Alcohol is the drug of our society that lets you grind it out without pain. It makes you someone who you're not so you can 'enjoy yourself'. Which is ironic.
It's a packer vs. mapper mentality (to put it into programming terms). You're a packer (daily routine, grind it out day in day out, no change).
The only way someone in this society can understand is if they step outside of our society. Which, basically is impossible for most of you. You just don't have the capacity to understand the system you live in. And it's true there's a million things in my paradim I will never understand (drinking, chasing whores etc), but this is one thing that I can see plain as day around me.
Don't even get me started on the people that life for their dogs or cats. Or life for the 'cars'. Yeah, cars are cool, but come on. (Insert whatever addiction here, like people that play WOW 40 hours a week). |
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| Inzane |
Hey ehos, replace the word "you" and "they" with "we" or "us".
What makes you think you're any different than the rest of us?
Also, a person could interpret what you wrote and summarize it all as simply "why work?". |
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| b18c5crx |
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| Supra_devil |
work to live, not live to work. I enjoy my job, but its not easy and not family life friendly. I could make 100+ a year if i wanted to have no life, instead i'd be surprised if i made much more than 60 last year, but i had a lot of fun, road trips, family time, etc.
My dad does the same work and there were times when we wouldn't see him for months at a time when he was working half way around the world, or even in fort mac, he made a shit load of money but he says if he had to do it again he wouldn't because of the time he lost with his family.
my goal is to be debt free so that i can get a nice in town job that i enjoy with decent hours so that when i have a family i can be home with them, go on trips, camping, etc. |
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| Cheverz |
Money is nice it let's you go places visit friends and family members. I like my job i work to live as well as live to work.
But i agree i value time the most. the harder i work the more money the more time i can take. if that makes any sense |
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| ehos |
It's funny that everyone here as mentioned 'time' as being important. But in our societal context, time is basically equated to money (or opportunity cost).
Time is a measured, valuable commodity. The time you spend on 'vacation' is just as measured (paid for with your previous grinding).
If time really were important to people, they wouldn't measure it so perfectly (or put so much value into it). In other words, the best way to say it is, in countries not driven 99% by money time is meaningless.
Appointments don't mean anything. 'Wasting' (our terms) a whole week or month is irrelevant. This paradim is impossible to understand unless you've lived it. And it's a shame to see the confused/pained (and defensive!) look on peoples faces as you try to explain to them such a simple concept.
And I see that I'm not alone, I see that some people see the 'puppet masters' strings but they are entirely, hopelessly powerless to do anything about it. Instead they just keep doing what they know best. GRINDING. Tis noble work, keep on keeping on. |
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| GOT BOOST |
quote:
Originally posted by stealth
Just been thinking lately, and was is really important to you at this point in your life?
Money?
Job?
Hoes?
What?
I have been doing a lot of thinking and I always thought money was #1, and that it could bring happiness and everything you ever wanted and needed.
But my now I see the clear view and believe family is always #1 (not that I didn't think that before), and having fun. You do not need A LOT of money to have fun and enjoy life to its full potential.
What are your thoughts?
Money.
Simply put money is power.
With money, you can have a certain amount invested, live off the income produced and not worry about a “job”.
Yes, money can not entirely purchase happiness, but the definition of happiness is so vague and means something different to everyone. At the end of the day love will not pay the bills.
The more people make the more people spend. It is human nature. Most people think that since they are making a lot of money, it will always be there. They fail to invest in their future and security and end up working for “the man” for a very, very long time. You do not need to be a high income earner to become wealthy. Just a consistent and disciplined investment plan..
I work hard and maximize my day. Not cause I need to, because I like to. That is who I am..
I am a firm believer of capitalism. People should be rewarded for working hard, producing and contributing. I believe with out capitalism, we would be no where near advanced where we are today. We would be fat and lazy with no motivation to improve. Why do something when you know your next meal is coming from the gov’t?
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| T-LAV MRV |
well put, i should get in contact with u for investing(since your post reminded me of what u do).
time is nice, but whats time without money, and whats money with out time. can't have one without the other, or life would be dull and boring. try enjoying time while being broke, or try enjyoing your money if u are always working and there for have to time to enjoy it.
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| Graphicdude |
| Family and friends and a job that you are passionate about and enjoy going to every day. Then everything else will fall in line. |
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| ehos |
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
They fail to invest in their future and security and end up working for “the man” for a very, very long time.
I work hard and maximize my day. Not cause I need to, because I like to. That is who I am..
People should be rewarded for working hard, producing and contributing.
You work because 'that's who you are,' but that contradicts your save for retirement spiel. Why would you think of retiring when all you like to do is work?
Also, making money isn't improving yourself, it's improving your bank balance. You are trading your time (that you could actually use to improve yourself) to gain a commodity that isn't actually yours (it belongs to the Bank of Canada).
And people in Capitalistic societies aren't 'rewarded for working hard'. That's utter nonsense. Top CEO's making more in 8 hours than what you will make in one year. Are you telling me their 8 hours of work is harder than what you will do all year? Having money isn't about 'hard' work, it's about having the right breaks, getting lucky, being in the right time and place, and taking advantage. Capitalism is all about taking advantage of the grinders. Great for the guys at the top, not so good for the people (like you) at the bottom. |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by ehos
You work because 'that's who you are,' but that contradicts your save for retirement spiel. Why would you think of retiring when all you like to do is work?
Also, making money isn't improving yourself, it's improving your bank balance. You are trading your time (that you could actually use to improve yourself) to gain a commodity that isn't actually yours (it belongs to the Bank of Canada).
And people in Capitalistic societies aren't 'rewarded for working hard'. That's utter nonsense. Top CEO's making more in 8 hours than what you will make in one year. Are you telling me their 8 hours of work is harder than what you will do all year? Having money isn't about 'hard' work, it's about having the right breaks, getting lucky, being in the right time and place, and taking advantage. Capitalism is all about taking advantage of the grinders. Great for the guys at the top, not so good for the people (like you) at the bottom.
Ehos,
I am the type of person that hates to sit there and do nothing. Everyone’s version of retirement is different. At this point in time, I plan to work in my retirement. Not cause I need to, but because I want to. I would rather be working with my time producing an income rather than sitting on the golf course.
I trade that commodity of money for other items such as cars, food, vacations, un necessary discretionary items etc. If you have another way to get these items with out money then let me know. To date there is no such means.
The guys at the top have usually worked hard to get there. Granted not all of them, but I would say it is safe to say the majority. Do you have any idea how hard a CEO works? I doubt it. But you are somewhat correct. It is not all about working hard, it is also about working smart.
Your comment about the CEO making more in 8 hours than I ever will in a year makes me laugh. You do not know what I do, nor my profession. :lol: I am not claiming to make more than most CEO’s. I would hardly consider myself “a guy at the bottom” of the food chain.
You obviously have a hate on for capitalism while I embrace it. I seriously doubt the gov’t has rewarded you with cars, food, and money just for being a citizen.
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| Sunny |
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Originally posted by b18c5crx
sluts and going fast
Your mother must be so proud of you!!!!!!! The only true source of happiness is when you get to hold your child for the first time money will never make you happy it buys material things and than when they are all gone and the money is all gone than what? |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by Sunny
Your mother must be so proud of you!!!!!!! The only true source of happiness is when you get to hold your child for the first time money will never make you happy it buys material things and than when they are all gone and the money is all gone than what?
Money is good for replacing the material things that are now gone. When the money runs out go back to work or apply to the gov't for welfare. :D
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Well, Ehos, I completly agree with you, except for the drinking thing.
I work in a train yard out in acheson, loading fly ash into trains. Pretty dull work, but easy and good pay. Now, I still live with my parents (just graduated from high school), and I only work the bare minimum for me to have the money to have some fun. Usually 25 hours a week.
Well, there is one person I work with, who puts in about 80-90 hours a week. His whole life consists of eat, sleep, work. How could someone do that thier whole life? Never have any fun at all? They are just drones, doing mindless work, day in and day out for the rest of thier lives. Sure, your making good money, but your never going to have time to spend it. Oh, and this guy has been doing the same thing for 10 years, so hes not just grinding for a short period, to make extra cash or anything, its his entire life.
PS- I know I will probably get some angry remark that says "have fun working 25 hours a week, when you have a morgage, and familty etc.....) And il just say that when the time comes to have a mortgage and family, I will still work the very minimum possible to live comfortably, or find a job I truly love.
As the old saying goes
"If you love your job, you will never work a day in your life." |
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| ehos |
That's a good point you bring up.
Alot of people were EJECTED from their homes around 18. Most people will say 'I left to be my own person'. BULLSHIT. People are quite delusional. You were kicked out, pressured out, or societal constraints forced you out of your own home.
LIVE AT HOME AS LONG AS POSSIBLE! Be good to your parents, love them (SHOCKING!), they made you. Don't hate them, support them. They will need it when they are old. (Oh no, the humanity of actually loving and supporting your parents!).
There's a reason why Asians are always so far ahead. They look out for each other. Once you're out alone at 18ish, you have to start all over. Why? |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by ehos
That's a good point you bring up.
Alot of people were EJECTED from their homes around 18. Most people will say 'I left to be my own person'. BULLSHIT. People are quite delusional. You were kicked out, pressured out, or societal constraints forced you out of your own home.
LIVE AT HOME AS LONG AS POSSIBLE! Be good to your parents, love them (SHOCKING!), they made you. Don't hate them, support them. They will need it when they are old. (Oh no, the humanity of actually loving and supporting your parents!).
There's a reason why Asians are always so far ahead. They look out for each other. Once you're out alone at 18ish, you have to start all over. Why?
Ahh…. I lived at home for quite a few years and saved quite a large sum of money before I got married.
When you post, you must be making reference to people who make an hourly wage or a salary.
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| ehos |
Did you know that early Republicans were against slave wages? The North went to war (re: Civil War) to abolish slavery, one form which was specifically mentioned/written about was working for wages!
I choose not to give up my freedom to non-self evident forms of totalitarianism. One of them being a corporation (and basically capitalism in general, but not specifically). And the other being the government.
I see you have chose to give up the most basic and most revered (to me) right of being free.
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
Ehos,
I am the type of person that hates to sit there and do nothing. Everyone’s version of retirement is different. At this point in time, I plan to work in my retirement. Not cause I need to, but because I want to. I would rather be working with my time producing an income rather than sitting on the golf course.
I trade that commodity of money for other items such as cars, food, vacations, un necessary discretionary items etc. If you have another way to get these items with out money then let me know. To date there is no such means.
The guys at the top have usually worked hard to get there. Granted not all of them, but I would say it is safe to say the majority. Do you have any idea how hard a CEO works? I doubt it. But you are somewhat correct. It is not all about working hard, it is also about working smart.
Your comment about the CEO making more in 8 hours than I ever will in a year makes me laugh. You do not know what I do, nor my profession. :lol: I am not claiming to make more than most CEO’s. I would hardly consider myself “a guy at the bottom” of the food chain.
You obviously have a hate on for capitalism while I embrace it. I seriously doubt the gov’t has rewarded you with cars, food, and money just for being a citizen.
Mike
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| ehos |
When I post 'me, you, we' it's just a convention.
I don't mean it to be specifically aimed at ONE person. Why are people so literal?
Just read it and comprehend (or I will make a better attempt at writing). |
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by GOT BOOST
Ahh…. I lived at home for quite a few years and saved quite a large sum of money before I got married.
When you post, you must be making reference to people who make an hourly wage or a salary.
Mike
Mike (see, if I mean someone specifically, I use their name),
do you plan to support your parents when they get older or put them in a home? |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by ehos
Mike (see, if I mean someone specifically, I use their name),
do you plan to support your parents when they get older or put them in a home?
Ehos,
No. They are extremely well off and can support them selves.
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| T-LAV MRV |
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Originally posted by ehos
totalitarianism.
shit i have a hard time sayin that, had to sound it out.lol
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| GOT BOOST |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
Did you know that early Republicans were against slave wages? The North went to war (re: Civil War) to abolish slavery, one form which was specifically mentioned/written about was working for wages!
I choose not to give up my freedom to non-self evident forms of totalitarianism. One of them being a corporation (and basically capitalism in general, but not specifically). And the other being the government.
I see you have chose to give up the most basic and most revered (to me) right of being free.
Ehos,
Slavery has never been abolished. Freedom is just a clever term. We live in a different type of slavery now. People are slaves to the dollar.
You are a slave to the dollar if you have a mortgage, debt, need to purchase necessary items to live.
Last time I checked the grocers to not give away food. When was the last time you walked into a suit store and the sales man said..hey friend…you do not need to pay for this suit.
I like to maximize my money and invest it. This provides growth and more purchasing power.
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| Sunny |
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
Money is good for replacing the material things that are now gone. When the money runs out go back to work or apply to the gov't for welfare. :D
Mike
I would never go on welfare, I know that there are those who truly need it and i'm good with that I don't need it my husband makes enough but there are to many lazy people on welfare that don't deserve it i was just saying that the important things in life are not the better house the better car so on so on it is for me my family.:) |
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| Prudz_lude |
when i read money from husband in the same sentence as other people being lazy from what seems to be coming out of a house wives mouth i just don't know what to say.
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| Sunny |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
when i read money from husband in the same sentence as other people being lazy from what seems to be coming out of a house wives mouth i just don't know what to say.
True on the family part though. Definitely the most important part.
Like I told you in the other thread you have issues and i work my ass off i just dont get paid for it so don't even try that shit with me |
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| AudiInProgress |
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Originally posted by Sunny
Like I told you in the other thread you have issues and i work my ass off i just dont get paid for it so don't even try that shit with me
You're the female rob! |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by ehos
That's a good point you bring up.
Alot of people were EJECTED from their homes around 18. Most people will say 'I left to be my own person'. BULLSHIT. People are quite delusional. You were kicked out, pressured out, or societal constraints forced you out of your own home.
LIVE AT HOME AS LONG AS POSSIBLE! Be good to your parents, love them (SHOCKING!), they made you. Don't hate them, support them. They will need it when they are old. (Oh no, the humanity of actually loving and supporting your parents!).
There's a reason why Asians are always so far ahead. They look out for each other. Once you're out alone at 18ish, you have to start all over. Why?
I agree with this 100%.
Stay at home as long as possible. My parents told me I could stay at home until I was 50, if I felt like it.:thumbup: |
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by Sunny
Like I told you in the other thread you have issues and i work my ass off i just dont get paid for it so don't even try that shit with me
lol you need to cool down. If you knew how to read you would realize i did not attack you dummy. I said "If" that was the case. I don't know you. I was just expressing an opinion that was not directed to you.
Now, if you said i was a house wife that did nothing all day with no kids around spending the husbands money than it would have been directed to you.
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by stealth
I agree with this 100%.
Stay at home as long as possible. My parents told me I could stay at home until I was 50, if I felt like it.:thumbup:
Exactly! Myself being white, i get this all the time. I am 21 living at home. Alot of other white people ask me why? I tell them, hmmm university student living on their own, are you fucking kidding me? who in the right mind wants to put that kind of restraint on themselves?
I love how Brown families and Asians allow their children to live in the same home for as long as they want. Revenue is saved, lives are less stressed, the families bond grows, and while you are still being educated you are able to focus only on your education. When you are able to support yourself and move on with your career (most get to that stage at 23-24) than move out. You are finally able to support yourself, debt free, stress free, and move on from their with a strong family bond :thumbup:
Its funny to watch my friends that thought moving out and saying fuck you to the parents was a good idea. They stress so hard about paying the rent, not having enough time to study, and never having any money. Maybe it would have been worth it to listen to your parents wishes. There are some exceptions yes but the majority should just learn to listen to their parents wishes. It would have made their lives a lot easier. |
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| stealth |
Prudz_lude, I didn't want to mention it, but as you stated, I see that a lot in "white" families. Most of the kids are so eager to move out and be independent, and do so prematurely. Some do it because they hate their parents.
I love my family and like living with them. The only reason for me to move out is if I find a job in another city, or if I get married.
I know a lot of people who moved out on their own like you stated and made a big mistake. |
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