| TRUE STREET! - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| THEONE |
| Edmonton needs a real street class no NOS, street tires, full interior and one power adder! What does everyone think? This is more of an accurate measurement of what these cars do in daily street driven trim! |
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| Insomniac |
the way i'd do it is:
-full interior
-street tires (lets say minimum UTOG rating of 200 to eliminate R compounds)
-pump gas (hard to regulate)
-no NOS
-full exhaust
but i can't compete, so don't ask me :crying: |
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| REFLUX |
not this again........
*holds out frozen butter as he awaits the flaming to melt it so it can be applied to the popcorn* |
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| THEONE |
| What it is a simple and I think a good question? |
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| Focus Guy |
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Originally posted by THEONE@Jul 7 2003, 08:29 PM
Edmonton needs a real street class no NOS, street tires, full interior and one power adder! What does everyone think? This is more of an accurate measurement of what these cars do in daily street driven trim!
One power added is not fair for who the guy with the 135hp N/A car but is for the 200HP turbo guy, It is more accurate for sure, but then why would guys with lower horse power cars even come out? Or is that what you are looking for. From what I see every body complains about nos. Why if we want to be fair the the turbo car should welcome a much lesser HP car with a nos shot as a good oponite. To help even the score it just makes the game more fun. |
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| THEONE |
| I'm not so much against NOS but it is not street legal! A fair race is a small 4 or 6 cylinder car against another either turbo, supercharger, or NOS, but in a True Street event the car wouldn't be able to run NOS just cause it isn't street legal! I'm more concerened about the one power adder though then NOS itself. Once a guy adds a turbo, NOS, and slicks etc. that is not a true indication of what that car can do on the street. Which would be the point of a True Street class. Just a thought! Please don't lock this thread to! :) |
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| Focus Guy |
| Sounds like a good class, |
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| SplineZ |
Well.. He's not talkin about STOCK trim here.. that would be a battle of drivers and not cars really :)
What i think he's gettin at here is a class that doesnt have any limitations as far as motor is concerned.. it could be built to hell, with turbo/super charging. as long as it doesnt have NOS.. or atleast no NOS thats fed into the intake.. (maybe to cool your I/C) i am not sure on the legalities of that tho.
... full exhaust.. you mean like pipes that reach the back of your car or not? You dont need a cat in alberta to be "Street legal"
Drag radials are street legal, as long as their arent slicks.. atleast thats what Ive been told.. Ive seen many legal cars ripping around town with drag radials on.. I dont know if they are R compound or not tho *shrug* if they are.. they shouldnt be allowed..
i am running out of ideas/concerns.. :)
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| TurboTony |
Sounds good to me :bigthumbup:
Tony |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by MIDAS GUY@Jul 7 2003, 09:39 PM
One power added is not fair for who the guy with the 135hp N/A car but is for the 200HP turbo guy
You tell that to me and Darkman.... We're probably close to that kind of setup, and I'm pretty sure I've got a lil more power than he does and a turbo also... but his NA 100hp car ran a second faster than me.... |
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| SplineZ |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jul 7 2003, 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by MIDAS GUY@Jul 7 2003, 09:39 PM
One power added is not fair for who the guy with the 135hp N/A car but is for the 200HP turbo guy
You tell that to me and Darkman.... We're probably close to that kind of setup, and I'm pretty sure I've got a lil more power than he does and a turbo also... but his NA 100hp car ran a second faster than me....
You drive the titanic baron :D and darkmans car is about as heavy as a feather..
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| mitsuman |
This class would only allow specific types of cars/trucks to be competitive:
Main Considerations:
4G63T / 4G64T Hybrid Powered cars (AWD advantage)
2.5L H-4 turbo STI Subaru (AWD advantage)
SR26DETT Skyline (if you can afford and AWD advantage)
4.3L V6 GMC Turboes (AWD advantage)
5.9 L 24V Cummins Truck! :D (4WD advantage)
Others:
SR20DET Powered Nissans
13B TT Rx7
2JZ-GTE Supras
3.8L V6 GMC Turboes
The rest of you folks need not apply! ;) |
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| mitsuman |
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Originally posted by SplineZ@Jul 7 2003, 10:26 PM
What i think he's gettin at here is a class that doesnt have any limitations as far as motor is concerned.. it could be built to hell, with turbo/super charging. as long as it doesnt have NOS.. or atleast no NOS thats fed into the intake.. (maybe to cool your I/C) i am not sure on the legalities of that tho.
That is correct IMO! |
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| JDC™ |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jul 7 2003, 10:52 PM
quote:
Originally posted by MIDAS GUY@Jul 7 2003, 09:39 PM
One power added is not fair for who the guy with the 135hp N/A car but is for the 200HP turbo guy
You tell that to me and Darkman.... We're probably close to that kind of setup, and I'm pretty sure I've got a lil more power than he does and a turbo also... but his NA 100hp car ran a second faster than me....
i thought b16a2 engines have 170 hp ??? |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by JDC™@Jul 7 2003, 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jul 7 2003, 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by MIDAS GUY@Jul 7 2003, 09:39 PM
One power added is not fair for who the guy with the 135hp N/A car but is for the 200HP turbo guy
You tell that to me and Darkman.... We're probably close to that kind of setup, and I'm pretty sure I've got a lil more power than he does and a turbo also... but his NA 100hp car ran a second faster than me....
i thought b16a2 engines have 170 hp ???
not to the wheels...
his motor is prob. 170-190 @ the fly... and I have no idea what mine is... but maybe 260hp???? (225rwhp/240lbs ft torque on a dyno)
I guess the point of this is that, hp doesn't always make a winner.... if I'm dyno racing, then I"ll win against him, but on the track his car is faster than mine.... no power adders! |
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| TylerH |
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SR26DETT Skyline (if you can afford and AWD advantage)
I thinks it's RB26, SR is a different engine, and therefore a different engine code ;) |
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| THEONE |
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Originally posted by mitsuman@Jul 7 2003, 11:00 PM
This class would only allow specific types of cars/trucks to be competitive:
Main Considerations:
4G63T / 4G64T Hybrid Powered cars (AWD advantage)
2.5L H-4 turbo STI Subaru (AWD advantage)
SR26DETT Skyline (if you can afford and AWD advantage)
4.3L V6 GMC Turboes (AWD advantage)
5.9 L 24V Cummins Truck! :D (4WD advantage)
Others:
SR20DET Powered Nissans
13B TT Rx7
2JZ-GTE Supras
3.8L V6 GMC Turboes
The rest of you folks need not apply! ;)
Which would basically be any car that isn't running all motor class??
So if your just running your street car now and only have NOS you need not apply cause your running against turbo'd, NOS fed, stripped race cars. I would rather take my chance running against another guy with only one power adder? :bigthumbup: |
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| Insomniac |
Do you racers want the cars to be:
a) street legal (no NOS, DOT tire, no enlarged muffler tip:rolleyes:
b ) representative of what most guys run on the street daily(pump fuel, normal street tires)
c) meeting the rules of an NHRA, or IDRC street class
d) some hybrid of the above that meets your car's build :P
IMO I'd pick b if you call it "true street" and "c" if you want to call it "street" |
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| v8slayer |
-Well I use 555R's daily and they are an excellent corning tire so they're staying on my car.
-My NOS is no different than a turbo 2 times bigger than mine or Ron's extra 300cc of stroked displacement..
-My car can't have a back seat because a roll cage won't allow the room or let you in the back.(should a person not be allowed in a street class because he wants more saftey)
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-If were going to have sick rules like this I think strokers should be classed as a power adder. 300cc is worth more than a 50 shot of NOS.
Do we want me to go further as I have lots more thoughts if you want to nick pick. :rolleyes: |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jul 7 2003, 11:51 PM
and I have no idea what mine is... but maybe 260hp???? (225rwhp/240lbs ft torque on a dyno)
Chris, that's what your current Z31 puts down? When did you dyno, and on what type of dyno was that?
Those are pretty good numbers for a Z31. |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by Insomniac@Jul 8 2003, 05:53 AM
Do you racers want the cars to be:
a) street legal (no NOS, DOT tire, no enlarged muffler tip:rolleyes:
b ) representative of what most guys run on the street daily(pump fuel, normal street tires)
c) meeting the rules of an NHRA, or IDRC street class
d) some hybrid of the above that meets your car's build :P
IMO I'd pick b if you call it "true street" and "c" if you want to call it "street"
I think its:
e) Whatever stacks the most advantages in favor of the Talon boys (since they seem to whine the most on this and similar topics).
j/k :P :lol: |
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| scooby_dooby |
| true street would be cool, full interior, street tires, pump gas, no NOS. |
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| Pro Drag |
| I like the idea of this class, but you can NEVER please everybody. :dunno: |
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| redbaron303 |
This class would be something I could run competitivly in??? I'm not so sure about that....
Here's my example of why it may not be competitive... based on the original post...
Ron says "Edmonton needs a real street class no NOS, street tires, full interior and one power adder! What does everyone think?"
I think it's a great idea.... but then again I feel I have a quick car in it's own rights... but when I have to line up to guys like Marcin's daily driven full interiored non nitrous using awd talon on street tires and get my ass handed to me by nearly 3 seconds... that's sad!!! Or Jack C's TT RX7 that I still stand no chance against when he's using regular street tires... TurboTony's 10 second Syclone, what else need I say about that...
My question is, how will one be competitive in this class??? Do we still have to build the f@ck out of our cars to make them as powerful as Marcins, Jack's, TurboTony's so it's not just the three of them running competition w/ their cars that meet the criteria Ron stated????
Maybe incorporation of bracket racing in a division like this could be good too??? So the slower guys aren't discouraged from running, can still have a chance to win, and possilby then want to make their cars faster b/c they see how fun it is! |
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| mitsuman |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jul 8 2003, 10:04 AM
Maybe incorporation of bracket racing in a division like this could be good too??? So the slower guys aren't discouraged from running, can still have a chance to win, and possilby then want to make their cars faster b/c they see how fun it is!
Oh Chris, what ever man! There is a reason why I spend so much money on my car which is to make a lot of power and NOT to guess my et and be consistent.
Don't you guys get it! This class will be dominated my AWD Torque monsters like the Talons, Subarus, GMC's. :rolleyes: |
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| redbaron303 |
Oh I get it, and that's why I'm saying bracket racing to allow us slower less competitive cars to be competitive w/ vehicles like yours... AWD is where it's at
I doubt we'll ever see the day where ppl are happy!
So it's up to the people are are getting into the sport and are in the sport to build cars to rival vehicles like Maus supra, marcins talon, Tony's Syclone... One day I too will have a very quick car, hopefully by then it's not too late :) |
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| POX |
| how about a NA and Forced induction devision wiht in this class too? |
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| scooby_dooby |
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Originally posted by POX@Jul 8 2003, 11:25 AM
how about a NA and Forced induction devision wiht in this class too?
definately, no way the NA 4 and 6 cylinders can compete with these factory turbocharged cars. it's definately possible, but i don't think it's very likely.
2 "true street" classes would be cool. if some NA monsters show up, then maybe the winners can go head to head. |
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| THEONE |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 8 2003, 06:13 AM
-Well I use 555R's daily and they are an excellent corning tire so they're staying on my car.
-My NOS is no different than a turbo 2 times bigger than mine or Ron's extra 300cc of stroked displacement..
-My car can't have a back seat because a roll cage won't allow the room or let you in the back.(should a person not be allowed in a street class because he wants more saftey)
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-If were going to have sick rules like this I think strokers should be classed as a power adder. 300cc is worth more than a 50 shot of NOS.
Do we want me to go further as I have lots more thoughts if you want to nick pick. :rolleyes:
For one you can have back seats and a roll cage! I'm not sure who told you, you can't :wtf: Secondly how is a stroker which in domestic racing is very common comparable to NOS :wtf: I think your trying to compare apples to carrots! :wacko: Size of the power adder is not important other guys have larger turbos then me does that make there car have 2 power adder :wtf: Did I say anything about your tires? You seem a little sensitive relax :blink: Street legal tires are street legal tires. You drive your car daily? :werd: And for someone who bitched about MAU running slicks and a turbo when your run a turbo, drag radials and NOS your the one who is nit picking not me :tear: . I'm putting rules up for sujestions not in stone :ph34r: I also think that we should actually adopt rules from a major organization like IHRA not set our own. But no one has done this so I'm making some sujestions myself!
P.S. Would Pauls exta 400cc of dispacement be 2 power adders under your logic? :wacko:
P.P.S How many power adders would your 10:1 compression be? :blink: |
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| THEONE |
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Originally posted by POX@Jul 8 2003, 11:25 AM
how about a NA and Forced induction devision wiht in this class too?
That would be a great idea! :bow: :bow: |
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| redmethods |
THE ONE has a good idea but it seams that people like the V8SLAYER is a to scary. A preson with the name v8slayer, Ho cares if the other preson got a 300cc bigger engine, he still got the came engine that u have. right!!
But u would radar race a honda civic with a turbo & nos and that is more far
:crying: but if you are scary of losing, way race !!! :bigthumbup: right
And to: v8slayer, you should change your name to : THE LITTLE RICE SLAYER
:thefinger: :bigthumbup: :thefinger: :o |
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| Inzane |
| Umm... can we get a translator in here? I'm a little rusty on Grade-2 level spelling & grammar. :wacko: |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by redmethods@Jul 8 2003, 01:34 PM
THE ONE has a good idea but it seams that people like the V8SLAYER is a to scary. A preson with the name v8slayer, Ho cares if the other preson got a 300cc bigger engine, he still got the came engine that u have. right!!
But u would radar race a honda civic with a turbo & nos and that is more far
:crying: but if you are scary of losing, way race !!! :bigthumbup: right
And to: v8slayer, you should change your name to : THE LITTLE RICE SLAYER
:thefinger: :bigthumbup: :thefinger: :o
Could any buddy understand a word he said?
I gave up after the first line.
Buddy you should really consider getting a education ASAP as your making a fool of yourself.
NO ONE WILL TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY WITH SPELLING LIKE THAT.
Go to school and then voice your opinion.
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| 4kruzn |
| I have an idea.... let make a m+s rated tire class which only alows turbo all wheel drive cars then the three of you can battle it out amongst youselfs. for the rest of us, Ill say it again.... no one wants a class where if your not all wheel drive, your car sucks ass. dont you awd guy understand that buy now. real street is a great idea but the first rule, right after the one about the hard compound tires would have to be no all wheel drive........... go home have a cold showere and smell the coffee... if you get awd we get good tires, understand.......... :wtf: |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by 4kruzn@Jul 8 2003, 07:58 PM
I have an idea.... let make a m+s rated tire class which only alows turbo all wheel drive cars then the three of you can battle it out amongst youselfs. for the rest of us, Ill say it again.... no one wants a class where if your not all wheel drive, your car sucks ass. dont you awd guy understand that buy now. real street is a great idea but the first rule, right after the one about the hard compound tires would have to be no all wheel drive........... go home have a cold showere and smell the coffee... if you get awd we get good tires, understand.......... :wtf:
Bravo! Bravo!
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| THEONE |
quote:
Originally posted by 4kruzn@Jul 8 2003, 07:58 PM
I have an idea.... let make a m+s rated tire class which only alows turbo all wheel drive cars then the three of you can battle it out amongst youselfs. for the rest of us, Ill say it again.... no one wants a class where if your not all wheel drive, your car sucks ass. dont you awd guy understand that buy now. real street is a great idea but the first rule, right after the one about the hard compound tires would have to be no all wheel drive........... go home have a cold showere and smell the coffee... if you get awd we get good tires, understand.......... :wtf:
I hope you realaize that a car say RX7 that can do a small burnout to heat up its tires (AWD can't) has 2-3 tenth advatage on the AWD guy? :wtf: Why do you think a Street Tire Supra is the fastest car in the Street Tire classes in the States right now??????? :wacko: Remmember these are just sugestions its funny how personaly some of you take this shit :( Ever think we (AWD) guys might not want a class where we in our 3200-3700lb cars have to race some yahoo with a stripped out tin can wieghing 1800lbs and slicks! There is always two sides to the story I'm just saying lets find out whos the fastest in street trim? There well still be a class for you race cars to race in anyway! (oh wait you want to race your race car against street cars MY BAD) |
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| redmethods |
| OH so sorry V4SLAYER, did i make you cry. I might not be able to spell to well, but at lease i'm not afraid to race with the big boys. But oh well, you go race in what ever class makes you happy. BECAUSE YOU CAN SPELL!!!!! :thefinger: |
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| SplineZ |
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Originally posted by THEONE@Jul 8 2003, 08:44 PM
Ever think we (AWD) guys might not want a class where we in our 3200-3700lb cars have to race some yahoo with a stripped out tin can wieghing 1800lbs and slicks!
NAH! Slicks arent street legal! :) the whole point of this thread is to keep things street legal
drag radials to help the N/A cars compete MIGHT help, but it'd be easier to just give a handycap to the N/A car
n/a vs f/i showdown shouldnt be for a trophy or anything.. should just be for kicks :)
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| THEONE |
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Originally posted by SplineZ@Jul 8 2003, 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by THEONE@Jul 8 2003, 08:44 PM
Ever think we (AWD) guys might not want a class where we in our 3200-3700lb cars have to race some yahoo with a stripped out tin can wieghing 1800lbs and slicks!
NAH! Slicks arent street legal! :) the whole point of this thread is to keep things street legal
drag radials to help the N/A cars compete MIGHT help, but it'd be easier to just give a handycap to the N/A car
n/a vs f/i showdown shouldnt be for a trophy or anything.. should just be for kicks :)
James Z
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| REFLUX |
this topic is so ghey
it really is
if it is legal for you to have it on the streets/public roads, that is what STREET CLASS should be considered as.
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| SplineZ |
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Originally posted by THEONE@Jul 8 2003, 09:45 PM
This class is not for NA cars! Thats what all motor class would be for!
excuse my ignorance, I dont know all the race classes :)
There should be a different name then, "TRUE STREET" is somewhat misleading. Sure T/C's and S/C's are street legal, so's N/A tho.
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| Kwanjie |
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Originally posted by redmethods@Jul 8 2003, 08:56 PM
OH so sorry V4SLAYER, did i make you cry. I might not be able to spell to well, but at lease i'm not afraid to race with the big boys. But oh well, you go race in what ever class makes you happy. BECAUSE YOU CAN SPELL!!!!! :thefinger:
OMG hahahahahah "V4Slayer" -_- |
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| 4kruzn |
| att: the one! which true street class in the us has a rule where specialty tire, ie soft compound "drag" street leagal tires are not allowwed are you refering to? ;) |
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| THEONE |
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Originally posted by 4kruzn@Jul 9 2003, 03:14 AM
att: the one! which true street class in the us has a rule where specialty tire, ie soft compound "drag" street leagal tires are not allowwed are you refering to? ;)
:wtf: Where in my posts does it say drag radials are not allowed? "street legal tires are street legal tires" If your going to comment atleast read the thread and don't waste out time :thefinger: |
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| THEONE |
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Originally posted by SplineZ@Jul 8 2003, 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by THEONE@Jul 8 2003, 09:45 PM
This class is not for NA cars!_ Thats what all motor class would be for!
excuse my ignorance, I dont know all the race classes :)
There should be a different name then, "TRUE STREET" is somewhat misleading. Sure T/C's and S/C's are street legal, so's N/A tho.
James Z
For F**K sakes there is already a NA CLASS, come on everyone and say it with me "there is already an NA class" If you really want to race your NA car in this class it would be allowed but obviously your chances would be slim to none! :blink: |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by redmethods@Jul 8 2003, 08:56 PM
OH so sorry V4SLAYER, did i make you cry. I might not be able to spell to well, but at lease i'm not afraid to race with the big boys. But oh well, you go race in what ever class makes you happy. BECAUSE YOU CAN SPELL!!!!! :thefinger:
Just for the record I revued all your posts and I've come to the conclusion your just the local agitant and you are never to be taken seriously.
Keep it up and have fun.
OH by the way I'm still the guy with the most trophys on my mantel out of all the import racers here.
Actions speak louder than words ...........................
Have a great day and keep on joking! :bigthumbup: |
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| SplineZ |
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Originally posted by THEONE@Jul 9 2003, 04:58 AM
For F**K sakes there is already a NA CLASS, come on everyone and say it with me "there is already an NA class" If you really want to race your NA car in this class it would be allowed but obviously your chances would be slim to none! :blink:
Everybody likes an underdog, HAH :P
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| v8slayer |
Hey "The One"
Don't you have a JDM switchable transmission between FWD and AWD.
Since you are set on making TRUE STREET a class that favors AWD why don't you just use any Street tires you want and run FWD against the FWD cars and see how you do.
If you do that everyone will be on a level playing field with you and won't have to spend extra money just to buy some hard rubber to use for 1 day.
I think you might get your eyes opened up and realize the problems the FWD guys deal with.
As for the RWD cars I agree with you that they have an advantage over AWD by allowing for a burn out , better wait transfer , taller wider tires and less curb weight.
So flip switch to FWD and race the FWD boys on any street tire.
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| v8slayer |
As for a proper roll cage with cross bars and side bars it would be impossible to use the back seat.
So why should I have a back seat?
Ron if you were to get a proper roll cage you WOULD NOT be able to get into the back easily enough to to make it pratical.
I feel your saying a full interior would be every piece of interior your car was bought with.
OOOPS my change holder is gone so I guess I'm disqualified.
f@ck bud listen to yourself , you ranting about something that will never happen in a million years because of sub woofers , roll cages and cars that have optional back seats.
A TRUE STREET CAR is best classified by having 2 events so you know the tires , shocks and options are daily used and people didn't prep they're car for that one day.
If you have a Solo race and Drag race the same day with out switching parts or options. Then you can say you have a pretty good idea what the car would be like on the street. Take the 2 scores and average them into a street car score.
Whella you get the best street car.
Only a few requirments to enter:
1)Registration
2)License
3)Common sence that no one cheats the rules by putting lights on a race car.
4)No trailer queens so leave your trailers at home or at least 10 miles away.
5)If you never have certain interior part while daily driving you don't need it.
EX:Some may have Spearco seats and not the origionals.
6)Whiners are left at the gate!
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 9 2003, 08:37 AM
As for the RWD cars I agree with you that they have an advantage over AWD by allowing for a burn out , better wait transfer , taller wider tires and less curb weight.
What you've stated there is not necessarliy accurate for all RWD cars, particularly on the import side of the fence.
Take my 300ZXTT for example. Almost none of the "advantages" you state apply to me.
Burn outs?
I've always been advised NOT to use the water box and do "burn outs" per say with "Street" tires. I've only ever run on stock-sized street tires (Dunlop SP8000s) so far, and the best 60ft I could muster last year was a ~2.2. Haven't tried drag radials yet. *shrug* (guess I'll find out how much "burn outs" really help when I actually get to try some DRs).
Weight Transfer?
The Z32 suspension geometry is widely known as "anti-squat", a clear disadvantage for me in drag racing (compared to other RWD cars at least). Maybe the weight transfer argument is valid for AWD vs. RWD generally speaking, but I don't know enough about how an AWD car launches. *shrug*
Taller wider tires?
My stock rear rolling diameter is 24.68" (245/45-16), not sure what yours is. That's not THAT tall, or THAT wide. (My car now rides on 275/35-18 rear street tires, which is taller and wider obviously, but I suspect they would actually be even WORSE for drag racing than what I had previously -- low profile, heavier, etc.).
Less curb weight?
I don't think so! My curb weight is 3500+ lbs. There's no way a Talon is heavier than me.
I guess these are moot points since I'm not in the 11.0-12.0 potential to compete with the "Big 3" Talons yet anyway. Best I could probably hope for is mid-12's WITH drag radials (on stock turbos, stock engine, stock fuel system).
Did I have a point to all this? Only that you be aware of the proper facts with the RWD imports. A lot of what you said is probably very valid WRT to Mustangs and the like. But I assume we are talking mainly about import drag racing events. |
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| v8slayer |
Ever seen Jacks RX7 launch (squat)
Mike's Supra (squat)
280 ZX (squat)
..............................................ECT. |
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| redbaron303 |
| My car squats like a mofo.... but you know what, that hasn't brought me ANY advantage yet! My 60ft's are close to 3 seconds w/ squating, wheel sping, etc.... (+ a bit a driver error), but you know what, when my car squats I have a severe camber problem so launching on a small portion of my 225/50R16's doesn't help my times, does it? |
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| Inzane |
An AWD car has FOUR tire contact patches with the ground while launching, instead of two. With some of the torque transferred to the front, and the rest to the rear.
Doesn't sound like a disadvantage to me...
RE: Chris. The suspension in the Z31s and Z32s are very different, not a valid comparison. |
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| redbaron303 |
Jason:I know the two suspension setups are diff....so between the two it's not a valid comparision...
I was just saying for a car that squats in general and using mine as an example, it's not always an advantage to have the squat. |
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| SplineZ |
^^ mad squat :)
My car squats like a woman in the forest when I take off hard.. with very little wheel spin.. all the weight of my car is transfered over the rear wheels, and even the twisting of the motor, helps put the power down well. Every little bit helps :)
I was told that doing a burnout on street tires is bad because water gets into the grips and reduces your traction off the line.. on slicks its fine because there is no tread.
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| SplineZ |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jul 9 2003, 11:17 AM
Jason:I know the two suspension setups are diff....so between the two it's not a valid comparision...
I was just saying for a car that squats in general and using mine as an example, it's not always an advantage to have the squat.
its good to have squat.. shows that the weight transfer is going to the correct place..
if your suspension isnt setup well, then you are not taking advantage of the weight transfer (squat)
if you dont have any squat, then the weight isnt moving to the back, and you will have all kinds of traction problems..
FWD drag cars use stiff springs and a wheelie bar to KEEP the weight off the rear wheels because they need it all up front..
PS: squat! squat! i love that word, haha
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by SplineZ@Jul 9 2003, 11:35 AM
if you dont have any squat, then the weight isnt moving to the back, and you will have all kinds of traction problems..
Yup! ;) |
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| IH8V8S |
:D I love these talks! We talk for 7 or 8 pages of posts and absolutely nuthin gets figured out!
To be totally honest, just cuz you can do a burn out doesn't mean you can get better traction! If you have 700hp going thrugh 2 wheels that's 350hp per wheel, now follow with me cuz this part gets tricky; if you have the same 700hp and it's going through 4 wheels that's 175hp per wheel. Now assuming that the wheels are capable of holding the same amount of traction who is gonna have tractyion problems? RIGHT! The guy with 2 wheel drive!
F*ck! Is that really that hard to understand? Look at 60ft times you guys! How can Jason in his Subaru Wagon run 1.6 60ft while an SLK32 which will run similar 1/4 mile times gets a best of a 2.1??? Power wise the Subaru is down on the SLK and up on weight?; and yet he keeps up??? Could this AWD thing have something to do with it???? Hmmmmmm Curious isn't it!
How's that for a rant!?!?!
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| Insomniac |
2 things:
1. Squat sucks on an IRS car because it causes your tires to be massively cambered. This reduces traction.
2. Looks like there will never be a street class since everyone has a different idea of what a street car is :rolleyes: |
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| IH8V8S |
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Originally posted by Insomniac@Jul 9 2003, 12:06 PM
2 things:
1. Squat sucks on an IRS car because it causes your tires to be massively cambered. This reduces traction.
2. Looks like there will never be a street class since everyone has a different idea of what a street car is :rolleyes:
:D This is why I can't wait to hear the complaints at the next BOI July 20. There are concrete rules. Check em out at
www.jbspowercenter.com
There is an all motor class and as long as no one shows up in an M3 or a NSX I'll have a chance.
On a side note, I couldn't agree more about the squat thing. On most newer cars with IRS the suspension is designed to camber the rear wheels as the load on them increases. This means if you have a 275 wide tire and it cambers 3.5 to 4 degrees as it is loaded then it's like driving on a 205 or skinnier tire. Does this seem like an advantage? Ya, ummmm, NO!
Another rant on the pile!
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| BlueTurboEGG |
The reason why these debates continue is because we're not JB's.
Plain and simple.
And lets try and stay on topic here, which is " True Street Class"
I must agree with these follwing rules however:
1)Registration
2)License
3)Common sence that no one cheats the rules by putting lights on a race car.
4)No trailer queens so leave your trailers at home or at least 10 miles away.
5)If you never have certain interior part while daily driving you don't need it.
EX:Some may have Spearco seats and not the origionals.
6)Whiners are left at the gate!
I would like to add
-Pump gas
-Street tires (no R compounds) Someone mentioned
-Full interior? |
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| IH8V8S |
quote:
Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Jul 9 2003, 12:55 PM
The reason why these debates continue is because we're not JB's.
Plain and simple.
And lets try and stay on topic here, which is " True Street Class"
I must agree with these follwing rules however:
1)Registration
2)License
3)Common sence that no one cheats the rules by putting lights on a race car.
4)No trailer queens so leave your trailers at home or at least 10 miles away.
5)If you never have certain interior part while daily driving you don't need it.
EX:Some may have Spearco seats and not the origionals.
6)Whiners are left at the gate!
I would like to add
-Pump gas
-Street tires (no R compounds) Someone mentioned
-Full interior?
;) I suppose you're right about this. It should just be about the topic at hand. Here is how I run my car at the track:
Pump gas
tires I rolled in on
I drive the car there
Now, this is notr gonna make the turbo guys happy cuz they like their C16 and big boost! The tire thing is gonna piss off the guys with big power and 2wd, the registration and stuff shouldn't be a problem since there aren't any true "Race Cars" around here.
But the above 3 points would make a neat street class. Everyone would be very equal. It would be fun and competative..... but people would complain and it would be hard to regulate the street gas aspect and the tires..... well the debate continues!
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| v8slayer |
If you remove the sticky rubber your going to leave hte FWD guys at disadvatage to the RWD & AWD guys.
Maybe pushing the rubber thing is to much as it will cost unnecessary cash to alot of people. If its true street and you use the same tire for SOLO and DRAG racing I would say that's an all around tire and should be fine.
Remember it's whose go the best daily driver right.
Cornering and Draging.
Put it this way if a guy had 008R's and we all know thats what he drove on the street everyday how could we tell him it's not his daily tire when we all know it was.
See how telling someone what rubber to run is nuts.
The best we can do is make sure it is a treaded radial tire.
Lets not for get that a car like mine on cheap hard Canadain Tire rubber would not be safe at 140mph! Did you ever think of that! |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane@Jul 9 2003, 11:04 AM
An AWD car has FOUR tire contact patches with the ground while launching, instead of two. With some of the torque transferred to the front, and the rest to the rear.
Doesn't sound like a disadvantage to me...
RE: Chris. The suspension in the Z31s and Z32s are very different, not a valid comparison.
NO THEY DON"T
The font tires are hovering and are just dead wait until gear 2-1/2.
Man maybe you should watch a video of my launches.
By the way no car will launch great from the factory as they are set up for handling.
All us Talon guys have our suspension modified so out transfer is better.
A stock Talon is about 2.3 Second 60ft time.
Don't bitch about you crappy 60FT time until you put a Drag race suspension in like we all paid for and then its still sucks.
Give me your car for a week ,2 grand and I could make it do 1.8 for a 60ft.
Don't keep saying its always the AWD because your so wrong! |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 9 2003, 09:07 AM
Ron if you were to get a proper roll cage you WOULD NOT be able to get into the back easily enough to to make it pratical.
I feel your saying a full interior would be every piece of interior your car was bought with.
OOOPS my change holder is gone so I guess I'm disqualified.
f@ck bud listen to yourself , you ranting about something that will never happen in a million years because of sub woofers , roll cages and cars that have optional back seats.
A TRUE STREET CAR is best classified by having 2 events so you know the tires , shocks and options are daily used and people didn't prep they're car for that one day.
If you have a Solo race and Drag race the same day with out switching parts or options. Then you can say you have a pretty good idea what the car would be like on the street. Take the 2 scores and average them into a street car score.
Whella you get the best street car.
Only a few requirments to enter:
1)Registration
2)License
3)Common sence that no one cheats the rules by putting lights on a race car.
4)No trailer queens so leave your trailers at home or at least 10 miles away.
5)If you never have certain interior part while daily driving you don't need it.
EX:Some may have Spearco seats and not the origionals.
6)Whiners are left at the gate!
:bigthumbup:
Hey guys why did everyone ignore this post?
Isn't a true street car capable od cornering and draging with the same set up? |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 9 2003, 02:44 PM
By the way no car will launch great from the factory as they are set up for handling.
All us Talon guys have our suspension modified so out transfer is better.
Ok, so what's your basis of comparison then? You stated earlier that the RWD guys have an advantage over you in terms of weight transfer. Was your original statement valid for a stock AWD Talon vs. a stock RWD car? Is your statement still valid for your highly modified AWD Talon (with special drag-race suspension) vs. my much less modified RWD 300ZX (just an example)?
Sure I'll watch your videos (or I could watch more closely in person) but I see what you're saying.. I already admitted earlier in this thread that I didn't know much about how an AWD car launches which is why I hoped someone could elaborate.
So you're sort of making an argument for AWD not being an advantage... but you haven't fully explained why its a disadvantage. Again in your words, you said no car is properly set up from the factory for drag (assume all cars: FWD, RWD and AWD). And you've also stated that all you Talon guys have already corrected or improved the weight transfer problem you have. So you've effectively removed or reduced that particular disadvantage.
So... I'm still waiting to hear how you guys with Talons are so hard done by at the drag events. |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 9 2003, 02:44 PM
Give me your car for a week ,2 grand and I could make it do 1.8 for a 60ft.
You know, if I thought you were serious I'd almost take you up on that.. :lol:
...except for the keeping my car for a week part
...and the important little detail that I don't have $2k to spend on that right now. :P |
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| THEONE |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 9 2003, 08:37 AM
Hey "The One"
Don't you have a JDM switchable transmission between FWD and AWD.
Since you are set on making TRUE STREET a class that favors AWD why don't you just use any Street tires you want and run FWD against the FWD cars and see how you do.
If you do that everyone will be on a level playing field with you and_ won't have to spend extra money just to buy some hard rubber to use for 1 day.
I think you might get your eyes opened up and realize the problems the FWD guys deal with.
As for the RWD cars I agree with you that they have an advantage over AWD by allowing for a burn out , better wait transfer , taller wider tires and less curb weight.
So flip switch to FWD and race the FWD boys on any street tire.
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Hey Roger if you dont know what you are taking about which you don't, don't open you mouth! Switch able transmission :wtf: Where did you pull that out of? Your ass! All I well say is it is a DOG eat Dog world! To have a legal 6 point bar you can still retain your full interior! End of disscussion! Get your facts stright before posting! I well tell you one thing if you think I have a GT66, or anyother part on my car you might want to reconsider your info! HEHEHE :bigthumbup: Somethings are just undissclosed! :wacko: |
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| THEONE |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 9 2003, 09:07 AM
As for a proper roll cage with cross bars and side bars it would be impossible to use the back seat.
So why should I have a back seat?
Ron if you were to get a proper roll cage you WOULD NOT be able to get into the back easily enough to to make it pratical.
I feel your saying a full interior would be every piece of interior your car was bought with.
OOOPS my change holder is gone so I guess I'm disqualified.
f@ck bud listen to yourself , you ranting about something that will never happen in a million years because of sub woofers , roll cages and cars that have optional back seats.
A TRUE STREET CAR is best classified by having 2 events so you know the tires , shocks and options are daily used and people didn't prep they're car for that one day.
If you have a Solo race and Drag race the same day with out switching parts or options. Then you can say you have a pretty good idea what the car would be like on the street. Take the 2 scores and average them into a street car score.
Whella you get the best street car.
Only a few requirments to enter:
1)Registration
2)License
3)Common sence that no one cheats the rules by putting lights on a race car.
4)No trailer queens so leave your trailers at home or at least 10 miles away.
5)If you never have certain interior part while daily driving you don't need it.
_ _ EX:Some may have Spearco seats and not the origionals.
6)Whiners are left at the gate!
:bigthumbup:
I guess if I never drove my car everyday like you and I didn't live 500Km from the track I wouldn't trailer my car either! :thefinger: Just remmember whos whinning when the guys with slicks show up! :D Whocps did I just say that out load! |
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| THEONE |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 9 2003, 02:49 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 9 2003, 09:07 AM
Ron if you were to get a proper roll cage you WOULD NOT be able to get into the back easily enough to to make it pratical.
I feel your saying a full interior would be every piece of interior your car was bought with.
OOOPS my change holder is gone so I guess I'm disqualified.
f@ck bud listen to yourself , you ranting about something that will never happen in a million years because of sub woofers , roll cages and cars that have optional back seats.
A TRUE STREET CAR is best classified by having 2 events so you know the tires , shocks and options are daily used and people didn't prep they're car for that one day.
If you have a Solo race and Drag race the same day with out switching parts or options. Then you can say you have a pretty good idea what the car would be like on the street. Take the 2 scores and average them into a street car score.
Whella you get the best street car.
Only a few requirments to enter:
1)Registration
2)License
3)Common sence that no one cheats the rules by putting lights on a race car.
4)No trailer queens so leave your trailers at home or at least 10 miles away.
5)If you never have certain interior part while daily driving you don't need it.
_ _ EX:Some may have Spearco seats and not the origionals.
6)Whiners are left at the gate!
:bigthumbup:
Hey guys why did everyone ignore this post?
Isn't a true street car capable od cornering and draging with the same set up?
Count me in! :bigthumbup: |
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| impulser |
I am with Slayer on the 2 event setup, whos gonna bring slicks to the solo race. No setup change, that is a good idea/
I would like to see the tranny thing so you could switch from AWD to FWD, that'd be tight. N E one got one.
And lastly at least we wouldnt have to see the Prodrag civic in that comp. :gay: |
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| impulser |
N E 1??????? The ONE???? Got One?????
I am a jackass :thefinger: :thefinger: |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by THEONE@Jul 9 2003, 04:33 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 9 2003, 08:37 AM
Hey "The One"
Don't you have a JDM switchable transmission between FWD and AWD.
Since you are set on making TRUE STREET a class that favors AWD why don't you just use any Street tires you want and run FWD against the FWD cars and see how you do.
If you do that everyone will be on a level playing field with you and_ won't have to spend extra money just to buy some hard rubber to use for 1 day.
I think you might get your eyes opened up and realize the problems the FWD guys deal with.
As for the RWD cars I agree with you that they have an advantage over AWD by allowing for a burn out , better wait transfer , taller wider tires and less curb weight.
So flip switch to FWD and race the FWD boys on any street tire.
:bigthumbup:
Hey Roger if you dont know what you are taking about which you don't, don't open you mouth! Switch able transmission :wtf: Where did you pull that out of? Your ass! All I well say is it is a DOG eat Dog world! To have a legal 6 point bar you can still retain your full interior! End of disscussion! Get your facts stright before posting! I well tell you one thing if you think I have a GT66, or anyother part on my car you might want to reconsider your info! HEHEHE :bigthumbup: Somethings are just undissclosed! :wacko:
Ron your the biggest f@cking liar I've ever met.
Why were you telling people you have a switchable trans eh!
Tell me you lied to him or I'll get him to post what you told him.
Believe me people would believe this person over you!
When did I post you ever had a GT66 ...........Not!
Besides I'm not worried about you at all. I have bigger fish to fry with my tiny turbo. HEHEHE
After you figure out your AEM come see me.HMMMMMMMMM
Remember how your modified Talon was slower than a stock car until I let you copy my DIS settings HMMMMMMMMMM.
Remember how my best friend had to set a simple AFC for you.HMMMMMMMMM
Remember how you didn't even know how to check one little box on your AEM called knock control and you melted your pistons at Bud.HMMMMMMMMM
Don't you even brag about that run now in your signiture.HMMMMMMM
How many times did you have to rebuild last year.HMMMMMMMMM
Also again this year.HMMMMMMMMMMMM
You work out your problems then come race me as I don't want to waste my time. Hey did I tell you my buddy Marcin just did 11.95 with a stock 7 bolt motor with out blowing his head gasket and running on 3 cylinders like in you signature.
Also I'm never going to put anyone in the back seat with a seatbelt cross bar 2" from their forehead! First time I hit the brakes it would kill them.
Whats removing 40 lb's of back seat to put 100 lb's of bar in!
The back seat stays out to allow for a saftey item.
To bad Ron your bitching makes you look like an ass again.
You put that tranny in front drive and let the FWD boys kill ya!
Sorry for being a cunt but you needed to be put in your place.
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| THEONE |
| I never told anyone I had a switch able trans! Period! For a guy running 30 PSI and a 100 shot and only 12.5 I wouldn't be talking about to much! Don't loose your head! HEHEHE If anyone looks like an ass it is usually you. Lets not mention the sabotaged coils you tried pawning off on me. That is a real ASS move and anyone would agree with that, but you low life tricks are going to come back to haunt you trust me. :D |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane@Jul 9 2003, 03:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 9 2003, 02:44 PM
By the way no car will launch great from the factory as they are set up for handling.
All us Talon guys have our suspension modified so out transfer is better.
Ok, so what's your basis of comparison then? You stated earlier that the RWD guys have an advantage over you in terms of weight transfer. Was your original statement valid for a stock AWD Talon vs. a stock RWD car? Is your statement still valid for your highly modified AWD Talon (with special drag-race suspension) vs. my much less modified RWD 300ZX (just an example)?
Sure I'll watch your videos (or I could watch more closely in person) but I see what you're saying.. I already admitted earlier in this thread that I didn't know much about how an AWD car launches which is why I hoped someone could elaborate.
So you're sort of making an argument for AWD not being an advantage... but you haven't fully explained why its a disadvantage. Again in your words, you said no car is properly set up from the factory for drag (assume all cars: FWD, RWD and AWD). And you've also stated that all you Talon guys have already corrected or improved the weight transfer problem you have. So you've effectively removed or reduced that particular disadvantage.
So... I'm still waiting to hear how you guys with Talons are so hard done by at the drag events.
My point was don't handy cap the people that have spent money on suspension.
It not their fault you haven't.
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| THEONE |
| How many ignitors have you burned out this year? I lost count at 3! :thefinger: |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by THEONE@Jul 9 2003, 06:20 PM
I never told anyone I had a switch able trans! Period! For a guy running 30 PSI and a 100 shot and only 12.5 I wouldn't be talking about to much! Don't loose your head! HEHEHE If anyone looks like an ass it is usually you. Lets not mention the sabotaged coils you tried pawning off on me. That is a real ASS move and anyone would agree with that, but you low life tricks are going to come back to haunt you trust me. :D
I have never used NOS yet knob.
It wasn't even used 2 years ago. LOLOLOLOLOL
Oh and 12.55 @ 117 was on a stock engine with 240,000KM on it and no NOS and I was fastest that year. Thats what counts as cars get faster every year.
You can only argue by lying , how sad for you.
About the coils: I thought you were my friend so I thought I would help you out by lending you a coil pack I had never used. How could I have known one new coil had a short in it. Beside you still haven't given them back so how do I know thats really the case.
I noticed you didn't respond to the other points in my post.
Are you going to deni they happened? LOLOLOLOLOL |
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| redmethods |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 9 2003, 05:48 AM
quote:
Originally posted by redmethods@Jul 8 2003, 08:56 PM
OH so sorry V4SLAYER, did i make you cry. I might not be able to spell to well, but at lease i'm not afraid to race with the big boys. But oh well, you go race in what ever class makes you happy. BECAUSE YOU CAN SPELL!!!!! :thefinger:
Just for the record I revued all your posts and I've come to the conclusion your just the local agitant and you are never to be taken seriously.
Keep it up and have fun.
OH by the way I'm still the guy with the most trophys on my mantel out of all the import racers here.
Actions speak louder than words ...........................
Have a great day and keep on joking! :bigthumbup:
F*#K MAN YOU LIKE TO TALK & oh SPELL .
Oh by the way, you do have more trophys then me, but i won 50$ from Radio Shack,this summer
but U the man, THE KING SHIT, THE BIG BOSS, THE MR. KNOW IT ALL.
:bow: So all in all you have a good day& good night and i'll see you on July 20th, winning all the trophys, & oh the spelling Bee also.
You go Grilfriend :wub: |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by THEONE@Jul 9 2003, 06:21 PM
How many ignitors have you burned out this year? I lost count at 3! :thefinger:
Oh you mean the little electronic things.
Well they go you know. I was happy to get 9 years out of it and the other I put in was a year older than that.I thought a Talon guy would know that.
Is that all you got to compare to your blunders and lack of knowledge.
I have more for you if you want to keep this up.
I'm going now to spend some time with the kids.
good night
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by redmethods@Jul 9 2003, 06:32 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 9 2003, 05:48 AM
quote:
Originally posted by redmethods@Jul 8 2003, 08:56 PM
OH so sorry V4SLAYER, did i make you cry. I might not be able to spell to well, but at lease i'm not afraid to race with the big boys. But oh well, you go race in what ever class makes you happy. BECAUSE YOU CAN SPELL!!!!! :thefinger:
Just for the record I revued all your posts and I've come to the conclusion your just the local agitant and you are never to be taken seriously.
Keep it up and have fun.
OH by the way I'm still the guy with the most trophys on my mantel out of all the import racers here.
Actions speak louder than words ...........................
Have a great day and keep on joking! :bigthumbup:
F*#K MAN YOU LIKE TO TALK & oh SPELL .
Oh the way, you do have more trophys then me, but i won 50$ from Radio Shack,this summer
but U the man, THE KING SHIT, THE BIG BOSS, THE MR. KNOW IT ALL.
:bow: So all in all you have a good day& good night and i'll see you on July 20th, winning all the trophys, & oh the spelling Bee also.
You go Grilfriend :wub:
Hey Ron you signed in under the wrong name! |
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| SplineZ |
holy f@ck guys.. what the hell is going on here!?
not even the talon boys are friends here :)
How about bickering less? thanks
Be nice to each other, or im going to have to set you two in different corners! looks like its a timeout for you guys :) AND NO PEEKING OUT OF THE CORNER! remember, your recess privilages are next! :thefinger:
James Z |
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| impulser |
| V8slayer - THEONE, Battle it out on the track! Rog, you bitch alot and want things your way, whateva! Rons time is still his time and you havent beat it yet! Lets put it down on the track, This bickering provez 0. |
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| redmethods |
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Originally posted by impulser@Jul 9 2003, 06:51 PM
V8slayer - THEONE, Battle it out on the track! Rog, you bitch alot and want things your way, whateva! Rons time is still his time and you havent beat it yet! Lets put it down on the track, This bickering provez 0.
YES, that's the way it should be. |
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| redbaron303 |
quote:
Originally posted by Insomniac@Jul 9 2003, 12:06 PM
2 things:
1. Squat sucks on an IRS car because it causes your tires to be massively cambered. This reduces traction.
2. Looks like there will never be a street class since everyone has a different idea of what a street car is :rolleyes:
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| THEONE |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 9 2003, 06:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by THEONE@Jul 9 2003, 06:20 PM
I never told anyone I had a switch able trans!_ Period!_ For a guy running 30 PSI and a 100 shot and only 12.5 I wouldn't be talking about to much!_ Don't loose your head!_ HEHEHE_ If anyone looks like an ass it is usually you._ Lets not mention the sabotaged coils you tried pawning off on me._ That is a real ASS move and anyone would agree with that, but you low life tricks are going to come back to haunt you trust me. :D
I have never used NOS yet knob.
It wasn't even used 2 years ago. LOLOLOLOLOL
Oh and 12.55 @ 117 was on a stock engine with 240,000KM on it and no NOS and I was fastest that year. Thats what counts as cars get faster every year.
You can only argue by lying , how sad for you.
About the coils: I thought you were my friend so I thought I would help you out by lending you a coil pack I had never used. How could I have known one new coil had a short in it. Beside you still haven't given them back so how do I know thats really the case.
I noticed you didn't respond to the other points in my post.
Are you going to deni they happened? LOLOLOLOLOL
How could you know a NEW coil had a short? Becuase you glued it together and tried to cover it up! THats how! :thefinger: Now back to the topic at hand TRUE STREET! I well deal with you on the track! Enough with wasting time and words! Peace out! |
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| redmethods |
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Originally posted by THEONE@Jul 9 2003, 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 9 2003, 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by THEONE@Jul 9 2003, 06:20 PM
I never told anyone I had a switch able trans!_ Period!_ For a guy running 30 PSI and a 100 shot and only 12.5 I wouldn't be talking about to much!_ Don't loose your head!_ HEHEHE_ If anyone looks like an ass it is usually you._ Lets not mention the sabotaged coils you tried pawning off on me._ That is a real ASS move and anyone would agree with that, but you low life tricks are going to come back to haunt you trust me. :D
I have never used NOS yet knob.
It wasn't even used 2 years ago. LOLOLOLOLOL
Oh and 12.55 @ 117 was on a stock engine with 240,000KM on it and no NOS and I was fastest that year. Thats what counts as cars get faster every year.
You can only argue by lying , how sad for you.
About the coils: I thought you were my friend so I thought I would help you out by lending you a coil pack I had never used. How could I have known one new coil had a short in it. Beside you still haven't given them back so how do I know thats really the case.
I noticed you didn't respond to the other points in my post.
Are you going to deni they happened? LOLOLOLOLOL
How could you know a NEW coil had a short? Becuase you glued it together and tried to cover it up! THats how! :thefinger: Now back to the topic at hand TRUE STREET! I well deal with you on the track! Enough with wasting time and words! Peace out!
Now that said it all!!
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HOW DO U LIKE THOSE APPLES?[B][U] |
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| talont |
Hahahaha, spoken like a true bench racer!
Oh by the way, you do have more trophys then me, but i won 50$ from Radio Shack,this summer
but U the man, THE KING SHIT, THE BIG BOSS, THE MR. KNOW IT ALL.
It's all in the spirit of racing and should be taken as such. This is developing into a spirited rivalry between two of alberta's fastest jackstand cars...I cant wait for the BOI.
Thanks for taking up space redmethods.
hehehehe J/K. |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by redmethods@Jul 9 2003, 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by THEONE@Jul 9 2003, 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 9 2003, 06:27 PM
[quote]Originally posted by THEONE@Jul 9 2003, 06:20 PM
[b] I never told anyone I had a switch able trans!_ Period!_ For a guy running 30 PSI and a 100 shot and only 12.5 I wouldn't be talking about to much!_ Don't loose your head!_ HEHEHE_ If anyone looks like an ass it is usually you._ Lets not mention the sabotaged coils you tried pawning off on me._ That is a real ASS move and anyone would agree with that, but you low life tricks are going to come back to haunt you trust me. :D
I have never used NOS yet knob.
It wasn't even used 2 years ago. LOLOLOLOLOL
Oh and 12.55 @ 117 was on a stock engine with 240,000KM on it and no NOS and I was fastest that year. Thats what counts as cars get faster every year.
You can only argue by lying , how sad for you.
About the coils: I thought you were my friend so I thought I would help you out by lending you a coil pack I had never used. How could I have known one new coil had a short in it. Beside you still haven't given them back so how do I know thats really the case.
I noticed you didn't respond to the other points in my post.
Are you going to deni they happened? LOLOLOLOLOL
How could you know a NEW coil had a short? Becuase you glued it together and tried to cover it up! THats how! :thefinger: Now back to the topic at hand TRUE STREET! I well deal with you on the track! Enough with wasting time and words! Peace out!
Now that said it all!!
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HOW DO U LIKE THOSE APPLES?[U] [/quote]
Crap , your such a f@cking liar still.
Man all I have ever done is help people including you and you lie about me like this.
You're a real classy guy Ron!
This crack in a plastic coil was it near any wiring or what?
Forget it don't answer that you'll just lie.
Don't call anymore for help!
Your one of those people who's only your friend when there is something to be gained.
Oh buy the way if you blow up doing a meadeoaker run like you did while blowing up how the hell are you even her acting the way you are. |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by talont@Jul 10 2003, 01:44 AM
This is developing into a spirited rivalry between two of alberta's fastest jackstand cars
Hey dick wad I have already been to the track this year testing and tuning.
Keep the jack stand comments to yourself. :gay: |
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| v8slayer |
Here is another example how Ron blames and treats others when its his fault.
http://forum.aempower.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=3735
Ron is talont3t4 from FT.Mac in this thread.
Its always everyone elses fault with him!
By the way a bad CAS can fry a coil so maybe you better buy me a new one and stop blaiming me for you problems.
I'm done with this thread Ron I'll see you at the track when my 1.0 VOL gets here. |
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| talont |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 10 2003, 05:48 AM
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Originally posted by talont@Jul 10 2003, 01:44 AM
This is developing into a spirited rivalry between two of alberta's fastest jackstand cars
hehehehe J/K.
Hey dick wad I have already been to the track this year testing and tuning.
Keep the jack stand comments to yourself. :gay:
low 13 sec pass at 9lbs boost. your car is a freak of nature... kinda like the driver. :bigthumbup:
I put it in BOLD so you wouldnt miss it this time J/K |
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| REFLUX |
BOOOOOOOOOOORING -_-
Since I haven't been following this thread & do not want to read through all the crap everyone has posted here, I'll start on page 7...
Be nice & stay on topic or I will lock this.
This is not the place to have personal flame wars.
--Terry |
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| THEONE |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Jul 10 2003, 05:56 AM
Here is another example how Ron blames and treats others when its his fault.
http://forum.aempower.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=3735
Ron is talont3t4 from FT.Mac in this thread.
Its always everyone elses fault with him!
By the way a bad CAS can fry a coil so maybe you better buy me a new one and stop blaiming me for you problems.
I'm done with this thread Ron I'll see you at the track when my 1.0 VOL gets here.
A bad CAS can fry a coil? :wtf: Can it crack it and glue it together to Roger there was 4 people there to witness the coil when I removed it and they don't even know you but I guess they are lying to :wtf: Whatever lets get back on topic enough of this little flamming war I well not bring myself down to your level again! :D Only comments from me well be on the topic at hand! :bigthumbup: |
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| THEONE |
| One more quick comment! Please dont bring others eg. Marcin and Paul into this I talk to both of them regularly and have always shown appreciation for all there help over the last couple of years since I bought my car! Thanks again guys :bigthumbup: |
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| ohsoslo |
My impression of this thread so far.
B) :mellow: :unsure: :huh: :wacko: :gives: :gay: -_-
Anyone wanna buy a DSM? |
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