| Sticks and stones may break my bones, and this thread just may offend you - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| Perilous_Enterprises |
Have you ever listened to Rap music? Have you seen the movie Gone With the Wind?? Have you ever called a bitch a bitch, a pussy a pussy, or a fag a fag? Of course you have, we all have at one point or another in our lives. (well, maybe you missed Gone With the Wind)
Before I go any further I will appologize now for offending whoever become offended. This subject really pisses me off though, and I just want to see what everyone else has to say.
When I was growing up, I was taught a little saying, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me," and I believe it to be true. As a result, I've come to accept that although there are some pretty hurtful words out there, they are still nothing more than words. And yet it seems our ever de-evolving society has a huge stick up it's ass about certain words we use. Such as nigger, oops, did I say that?? I meant "THE 'N' WORD." Honestly, did I just hurt you?? Do you need medical attention because I said nigger?? Are you going to die now?? I can see why people become uncomfortable when someone says nigger, it is a word that has quite the horrible background, but it's still nothing more than a word. I can even feel sympathy for people of African decent who are victims of racism, and as a result I don't call anyone a nigger (well, I have a white friend I call a nigger, perhaps I should be imprisoned). But I do know some black people who call me Honkey. So I ask you, why is it not socially unacceptable to call gooks gooks, honkeys honkeys etc., but a social uproar will occur when someone says nigger?? I've been called a Red-Neck, but CNN wasn't there to defend me, nor was my government there to oppress the asshole who called me a redneck. And yet, simply by saying nigger here, I could very well be banned from the forum. I'm not even directing the comment towards anyone!! I didn't call you, your family, nor anyone you know a nigger, I just used a word.
Now realisticly, there is no place for such a word in any civilized conversation. Equally, there is no way the english language will abolish it. Hell, how would rappers get by without it? I personally feel humanity would be better off recognizing the word, accepting it as being in our dictionary (which it is), and moving on. As I say, its just a fucking word. We can better ourselves by not using it, true. However, there will always be someone out there who uses it and other derogatory comments to describe someone they feel threatened by. But wouldn't it be a sign of our evolution to just ignore it and not take offence?
Now I can already feel the heat that this is probably gonna generate, and I KNOW I pissed-off one or more of you, but before you start flaming me stop and think. Someone will call me a racist, someone will call me an asshole, someone will call me whatever other fucking words they come up with to express their disapproval towards my post because I've use the most offencive word there is. Even though I didn't use it in an offensive manner. So to anyone who does start calling me names, how does it make you better than anyone who calls someone nigger?
They're all just words. Bitch, nigger, pussy, fag, chicken, oligarchy.. they're all just words, and they're not going away. Perhaps one day humans will take the old axiom to heart, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me." |
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| shorti |
I'm offended by your opinion.
No I'm not. |
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| shorti |
Now that I've actually read your whole post I can now say that I agree with you.
This world is full of double standards. There are always going to be people (or races) that take full advantage of them.
And life will go on. |
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| Invalid Zero |
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Originally posted by shorti
I'm offended by your opinion.
No I'm not.
FUCK YOU HONKEY!!! :lol:
If only there was a white Al Sharpton to help the OP. |
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| Slow Cruiser |
Did you hear about the DA in texas(not sure of where), who congradulated a co worker in a tough case he had? He sent a email thru the office and said blah blah blah on the trial, and it was hard to convince the canadians to do the right thing in the end. Yup you guessed it no canadians in the jury but a few black people.
As I was enjoying the cold trip to work, some more yanks called up and said ya they call people of dark skin color(dont want to piss if the "N" group) canadians.
And here is one of the many links on this topic of blacks, err canadians |
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| STiPWR |
Its not so much the word, but the context in which it is used.
Like if someone calls me a name, in good fun.... i really dont care.
If someone calls me a name, and it is intended as an insult, thats a whole different story.
White people are always racist and in the wrong. We are the majority, not the minority. There will always be people pulling the race card.
Can you imagine a white history month? or white television channel like BET? or a white american idle? ( yes there is asian american idol going on in WEM this week ) |
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| Invalid Zero |
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Originally posted by Slow Cruiser
Did you hear about the DA in texas(not sure of where), who congradulated a co worker in a tough case he had? He sent a email thru the office and said blah blah blah on the trial, and it was hard to convince the canadians to do the right thing in the end. Yup you guessed it no canadians in the jury but a few black people.
As I was enjoying the cold trip to work, some more yanks called up and said ya they call people of dark skin color(dont want to piss if the "N" group) canadians.
And here is one of the many links on this topic of blacks, err canadians
Canadian please. |
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| shorti |
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Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Canadian please.
Easy there Canadian.
You don't want the Canadian to get all uppity. |
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| EK9Hatch |
I like bagels. :dunno:
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| flatboy |
| I hate rap music! |
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| ehos |
| Whitey sure is hard these days. |
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| ReasonOne |
As per STiPWR, "It's not so much the name, but the context in which it is used."
As a person experiences life and ages their judgement becomes more refined. Consequently, one would (or should) be able to "gauge" when something that might be appropriate in one situation might not be so in another. Familiarity plays heavily on this as well.
For instance, if some guy I never met before comes up in my face and calls me Nigger, you better believe that person would be getting an education. I'd fuck them up. I'm acquainted with Italians, East Indians, Mexicans and many other people of diverse ethnic background who would be doing a hell of a lot more than that if a stranger approached them and called them a "wop", "paki" or a "spic" to their face.
It's really not that hard to tell when someone approaches you is calling you a name out of malice or hate - or out of jest or a warped sense of humour. If you're a reasonably intelligent adult, you can look at one's facial expression, body language, read their eyes and make a decision within moments. People who have no trouble interacting with others pick up on this much faster than one who might be socially inept.
Now if I know the person I would have taken the time much, much earlier in a friendship to clearly define what he can say to me without pissing me off.
When one travels and sees the world, you develop a thick skin. Life is way too short to be offended EVERY time someone insults you. There's a time to say something and there's a time to let it go. If it ever boths me more than it should, I just think of what my parents and grandparents had to put up with in their day. It puts everything right back into perspective. Really, I've got it far easier by comparison.
I'm fairly easy going that way. If its a big deal I'll deal with it appropriately. If not, then I forget it. It just depends on who you're dealing with.
Then again, I know white people who get offended when they are called "wiggers" - no joke.
My 2 cents. |
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| Graphicdude |
This goes deeper then the "N" word. Take hookers for instance. We are no longer allowed to call them what they truly are, hookers. We have to call them Sex Trade Workers. Since when did they pay taxes?! Since when was it a profession???? Since when did the gov't look at them as employed civilians????
Same thing goes for that comment made by that Golf chick. She mentioned on air, that Tiger needs to be taken out back and lynched, because that was the only way to stop him.............for fuck sakes, since when was that a racially motivated comment???
Too many WHITE people are way to uptight about racial boundaries or whatever you want to call it. Yes most of this shit starts form some political agenda from some fucking honkey, redneck cock sucker. I am white, and it sickens me. Some people need to be shot.
They are HOOKERS!!! She is a friend of tiger woods for over 10 YEARS!! I would have said the same thing if Tiger was white! Let it go and find something more meaningful to set your political agenda to. |
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| Soulfly |
Calling someone a Nigger would be the same as calling them an Asshole, Honky, Wigger, or a Faggot.. Regardless of race or skin colour and regardless of the history behind the word.
And I just noticed... The spell check that my browser uses.. Tells me I spelled 'Nigger' Correct, and 'Colour', 'Faggot', and 'Wigger' Wrong.. |
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| Tech2 |
Graphicdude, I notice you have wutang for an avatar. Do you get offended when you get called a wigger? ;)
No shit about political motivation with the golf chick, or that guy whose name I can't remember who called the basketball team nappy headed hos. Like shock jocks don't say all kinds of low end rude shit about everyone, but it's not ok just this time?
And really, this is too often a one way street. Take, say, the Wutang for example, and their 5 percenter philosophy as an offshoot of islam. Stuff like white people are the devil, blacks together are God, at the apocalypse the 5% of elightened blacks will help save the other 85% of people, and the last 10%, that being whites, will be destroyed. A philosophy that is pretty acceptable, apparently.
Now the Wutang is famous for using another source of inspiration, that of HK kung fu flicks. Which can be pretty funny sometimes when one looks at the portrayal of blacks in hong kong films, often as stupid lazy rapists. Which is totally acceptable of course. Even for those in asia who think this attitude is not so positive, it's still accepted as a "traditional" way of thinking. Shit, working in asia I actually heard someone refuse to hire a black person on the basis of an emailed resume because "blacks smell bad".
I think ReasonOne has the right idea, there is a time to say something and a time to let it go. It depends who you are with and the situation you are in. And think of other places and other times where shit was/is much, much worse. That list goes on and on, much farther than a poorly thought out comment or silly choice of words. |
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| Vive le Quebec |
I don't understand this discussion of races in the first place. There's no scientific evidence to prove that races exist - they're social casts created to segregate people.
Take Barack Obama, for example, half-white, half-black. Still calls himself black.
If his wife were white, his kids would effectively be 3/4 white, and 1/4 black. Would they still identify themselves as black? Or do they now magically transition to white? At what point do you draw a line between being black and white? What about all the different shades in between black and white? There's really no line to draw separating races...my point exactly - the concept of race is man-made. |
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| AudiInProgress |
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Originally posted by ReasonOne
As per STiPWR, "It's not so much the name, but the context in which it is used."
As a person experiences life and ages their judgement becomes more refined. Consequently, one would (or should) be able to "gauge" when something that might be appropriate in one situation might not be so in another. Familiarity plays heavily on this as well.
For instance, if some guy I never met before comes up in my face and calls me Nigger, you better believe that person would be getting an education. I'd fuck them up. I'm acquainted with Italians, East Indians, Mexicans and many other people of diverse ethnic background who would be doing a hell of a lot more than that if a stranger approached them and called them a "wop", "paki" or a "spic" to their face.
It's really not that hard to tell when someone approaches you is calling you a name out of malice or hate - or out of jest or a warped sense of humour. If you're a reasonably intelligent adult, you can look at one's facial expression, body language, read their eyes and make a decision within moments. People who have no trouble interacting with others pick up on this much faster than one who might be socially inept.
Now if I know the person I would have taken the time much, much earlier in a friendship to clearly define what he can say to me without pissing me off.
When one travels and sees the world, you develop a thick skin. Life is way too short to be offended EVERY time someone insults you. There's a time to say something and there's a time to let it go. If it ever boths me more than it should, I just think of what my parents and grandparents had to put up with in their day. It puts everything right back into perspective. Really, I've got it far easier by comparison.
I'm fairly easy going that way. If its a big deal I'll deal with it appropriately. If not, then I forget it. It just depends on who you're dealing with.
Then again, I know white people who get offended when they are called "wiggers" - no joke.
My 2 cents.
I wish I had something intelligent to say, because this topic is one that arises all the time, between friends/family and loved-ones alike. But the "asshole" "honkey" in me, just can't seem to shake the urge to make some joke about how being a "nigger" means your opinion is irrelevant and you couldn't possibly be as well educated as you seem, you know - because you've been in a field all day picking cotton.
In all seriousness, I enjoyed reading your opinion, except the part about you "fucking someone up" for calling you "Nigger." Because that just goes to show your true color, and I'm not talking about skin color, I'm talking about your poor decision making ability and your constant need to seem "tough."
I have found myself using the word "Nigger" in varying situations, whether it's because I just listened to a rap song, and I'm joking around with some friends... Or I stub my toe - and scream "nigger!" because it's the first thing that pops into my mind. My grandmothers 60 year old furniture sure isn't black, and I'm almost positive it wasn't crafted by blacks, so...
I agree with the word being just that, a word, and no matter what - you can say anything to anyone and offend them, if said correctly. At least you know the difference.
I've got a lot more to say on this subject, and not just directly solely at one person, so I'm going to stop talking now. |
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| STiPWR |
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Originally posted by ehos
Whitey sure is hard these days.
Great contribution to the thread :thumbup:
"Whitey" doesnt look for racial slurs, and being treated unequally on a daily basis. Race doesnt even run through my head if I get judged or stereotyped. I usually look at the clothes im wearing or the way I presented myself to whatever situation im in.
Cry me a fucking river.
The majority of "non white" ethnicities out there need to stop looking for an excuse or a justification on why society treats them a certain way. 9 times out of 10 it has NOTHING to do with race, but on that individual's actions, image, or how he carries himself in public.
You need to sort out your facts. Take a look around, this isnt 1502 you arnt being whipped in a cotton field pulling a plow...... its 2008.... Stop playing the fucking race card.....Between 1991-2000 alone canada has had over 2.2million immigrants move into canada. Pretty soon the minority will be the majority. Minorities dont have a fucking reason to complain, this is BY FAR the most racial diverse country in the world. Shit there are streets in Richmond that DONT EVEN HAVE ENGLISH SIGNS!
We have fucking churches of ALL religions, we have streets in almost every major city dedicated to asian culture, we have curved almost all jobs to be 100% equal for employment in regards to race, sex, sexual preference, age, etc etc etc, and Canada promotes every culture and belief out there. Satanism, fucking Voodoo you name it.
I've lived as a minority... REAL RACISM where the whole fucking country hated me and tried kill me or assist the ones trying to kill me because of the color of my skin, and what I believed in.... religiously and politically... so dont even try to play the "you dont know what its like" bullshit.
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| ReasonOne |
You're entitled to your opinion. Everybody's got one. I find your statement regarding the relevance of my input highly amusing. I was expecting this response at some point. As I had stated before, it depends on the situation. I should have reinforced that fact earlier on in my statement, so my mentality didn't come off so "negative". You know nothing about me - nor would I expect you to. I know nothing about you.
There is no need for me to come off as "tough". Certain situations warrant an appropriate response. If I told a complete stranger to stop their verbal assault and they persist, I think I've given fair warning. Just like anybody else it would totally depend on my mood that day if some complete stranger came up to me and starting hurling names at me. There's "trying to act tough" and then there's "standing up for yourself". Nobody's going to defend you but you. If you don't do or say something people are going to think this behavior is still acceptable and persist. Some people learn this earlier on in life than others. Poor decision making has nothing to do with this.
Let me put it this way. One day, I'd laugh. The next, I might ignore them. Another, I might be upset about it and just tell them to piss off. If they persisted, things might get worse from there. Some people can be reasoned with. Others that cannot be reasoned with through articulated conversation respond to other methods. Depending on how I was approached, it would make a world of difference. Judgement plays a paramount role in such a situation.
And that's all I have to say about that. |
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| AudiInProgress |
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Originally posted by ReasonOne
Nobody's going to defend you but you.
Police? |
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| oldraven |
Yeah, well, genocide is just a word too, and we all take a stand against that.
It's not the word, it's the context. And when that context is implying that a person is sub-human, which is why the word became popular with the ignorant crowd in the first place, then yes, you deserve to have your teeth knocked out. Just like if you called me a Cracker to somehow imply that I'm an oppressive elitist or buck toothed Red-neck with a banjo and a cousin lover.
In that context, Nigger is just a way of stringing a whole lot of insults together in one word. That's why we should just avoid using it, so we don't create confusion and perpetuate hate. |
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| Graphicdude |
I don't get offended by the term "wigger" In fact I don't believe I have ever been called one. If i was I would reply to that remark with "Yo what's up!" :D
In any case, Wu-tang is the greatest Rap Group that ever lived and I really don't care what their views are, even if they are slightly Islamic. Their music is the best in the world and no current Rap Artist can match their skills.
Also forgot to add that whole shit story awhile back regarding our national anthem. Some morons think that we need to translate it into 30different languages to please immigrants in our country. Good for you that you have Canadian Patriotism, I am all down for that, but umm sorry, you come into a country that is english/french. You are required to speak either of those languages. For these morons to suggest having that MP be fired because he said "No" to allowing multiple translations of the Anthem being made and played, is stupid. Give you head a shake be proud that you are in a country that has embraced you with open arms, not a machine gun. |
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| GOT SE-R |
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Originally posted by Graphicdude
Also forgot to add that whole shit story awhile back regarding our national anthem. Some morons think that we need to translate it into 30different languages to please immigrants in our country. Good for you that you have Canadian Patriotism, I am all down for that, but umm sorry, you come into a country that is english/french. You are required to speak either of those languages. For these morons to suggest having that MP be fired because he said "No" to allowing multiple translations of the Anthem being made and played, is stupid. Give you head a shake be proud that you are in a country that has embraced you with open arms, not a machine gun.
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That whole senario pisses me off. Your in Canada...learn to speak our language |
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| Tech2 |
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Originally posted by STiPWR
Minorities dont have a fucking reason to complain, this is BY FAR the most racial diverse country in the world.
I've lived as a minority... REAL RACISM where the whole fucking country hated me and tried kill me or assist the ones trying to kill me because of the color of my skin, and what I believed in.... religiously and politically... so dont even try to play the "you dont know what its like" bullshit.
Werd to both points. I'm just glad no one way trying to kill me for my skin color where I was.
We, and by that I mean ALL of us in Canada, immigrants and refugees included, need to be very thankful for where we are and the culture we live in, because this kind of positive, accepting, and inclusive multiculturalism just does not exist elsewhere. |
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| samaroo |
I don't usually post on seemingly useless arguements like this, but there is just way too much ignorance being thrown around (amidst some good points).
First of all, I would like to repeat Vive le Quebec's statement: "There's really no line to draw separating races..." This is true in every aspect, and clearly the lines are getting harder to see, but this is no excuse for people to ignore sensitivities that many still obviously have. Yes, they are all just words, but one should keep in mind the history behind the work and use their discretion. That is why we as humans have highly developed brains, for understanding emotions. There is a good chance that if you say "nigger" around someone who has African ancestry, they are going to get offended that you used a term that was used to classified their ancestors as sub-humans for more than 400 years.
Allow me to clear up the difference between using the word "nigger", and the word "wigger". "Nigger", as stated above, directly references African slavery and the role of Africans as a species seperate from Europeans and the rest of the world. "Wigger", for the better part of its history, has not been a derogatory term, contrary to popular belief. It refers to White popular music artists in the USA and UK in the 1920's, adopting Black styles of music. White people were able to sell more easily to the public, continuing throughout the 1960's and 1970's, and made songs written and performed by Black artists huge successes once they covered them. Hardly a negative term, as some people seem to believe it is.
"Honky", is a different case, clearly a derogatory term, but having started in the 1960's with the Black civil rights movements, it hardly has the history that "nigger" does.
To STiPWR: Reading your posts really encouraged me to respond, especially the below:
"White people are always racist and in the wrong. We are the majority, not the minority. There will always be people pulling the race card.
Can you imagine a white history month? or white television channel like BET?"
I hate to have to ask this, but are you serious? Why do you think that white people are generally assumed racist/in the wrong? Countless inhumane examples of White racism and domination encompass the modern world's history. I would hazard a guess that this history has something to do with hostile feeling towards White people, although myself I feel that this type of finger pointing is uncalled for.
White history month? We don’t need a White History Month - because every month is White History Month. Wait, every year is White History Year. In fact, it's lets just call it White History Life – just look at the names of bridges, mountain ranges, parks, universities, colleges, streets, cities, management styles and philosophies, pictures on money, constellations, etc....
Yea, can you imagine a white television channel like BET? Sorry for the sarcasm, but come on. Why would you post something like that? Are you seriously implying that there are no White television channels? Let's see, ABC alone has 225 TV stations, not to mention 2900 radio stations. Who owns ABC? You guessed it, a White man. Not to say that no colored people are on any of the channels, but if you've ever watched BET, the one Black television station, you will know that it is not just Black people either
Also to STiPWR, you seem to have a strong belief that all Non-White people play the racecard when discriminated against, and white people never do. From your previous post, again, you said "White people are always racist and in the wrong. We are the majority, not the minority. There will always be people pulling the race card." If that isn't a contradiction, I don't know what is....It is statements like "The majority of "non white" ethnicities out there need to stop looking for an excuse or a justification on why society treats them a certain way" that make me question whether or not your opinion should be valued at all. Every voice should be heard, but the voice of a person pointing fingers at all races except his own screams ethnocentrism to me.
Would like to see any other useful posts that are saying something other than "all insults are the same", or "most non whites need to stop looking for excuses." |
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| STiPWR |
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Originally posted by samaroo
I don't usually post on seemingly useless arguements like this, but there is just way too much ignorance being thrown around (amidst some good points).
First of all, I would like to repeat Vive le Quebec's statement: "There's really no line to draw separating races..." This is true in every aspect, and clearly the lines are getting harder to see, but this is no excuse for people to ignore sensitivities that many still obviously have. Yes, they are all just words, but one should keep in mind the history behind the work and use their discretion. That is why we as humans have highly developed brains, for understanding emotions. There is a good chance that if you say "nigger" around someone who has African ancestry, they are going to get offended that you used a term that was used to classified their ancestors as sub-humans for more than 400 years.
Allow me to clear up the difference between using the word "nigger", and the word "wigger". "Nigger", as stated above, directly references African slavery and the role of Africans as a species seperate from Europeans and the rest of the world. "Wigger", for the better part of its history, has not been a derogatory term, contrary to popular belief. It refers to White popular music artists in the USA and UK in the 1920's, adopting Black styles of music. White people were able to sell more easily to the public, continuing throughout the 1960's and 1970's, and made songs written and performed by Black artists huge successes once they covered them. Hardly a negative term, as some people seem to believe it is.
"Honky", is a different case, clearly a derogatory term, but having started in the 1960's with the Black civil rights movements, it hardly has the history that "nigger" does.
To STiPWR: Reading your posts really encouraged me to respond, especially the below:
"White people are always racist and in the wrong. We are the majority, not the minority. There will always be people pulling the race card.
Can you imagine a white history month? or white television channel like BET?"
I hate to have to ask this, but are you serious? Why do you think that white people are generally assumed racist/in the wrong? Countless inhumane examples of White racism and domination encompass the modern world's history. I would hazard a guess that this history has something to do with hostile feeling towards White people, although myself I feel that this type of finger pointing is uncalled for.
White history month? We don’t need a White History Month - because every month is White History Month. Wait, every year is White History Year. In fact, it's lets just call it White History Life – just look at the names of bridges, mountain ranges, parks, universities, colleges, streets, cities, management styles and philosophies, pictures on money, constellations, etc....
Yea, can you imagine a white television channel like BET? Sorry for the sarcasm, but come on. Why would you post something like that? Are you seriously implying that there are no White television channels? Let's see, ABC alone has 225 TV stations, not to mention 2900 radio stations. Who owns ABC? You guessed it, a White man. Not to say that no colored people are on any of the channels, but if you've ever watched BET, the one Black television station, you will know that it is not just Black people either
Also to STiPWR, you seem to have a strong belief that all Non-White people play the racecard when discriminated against, and white people never do. From your previous post, again, you said "White people are always racist and in the wrong. We are the majority, not the minority. There will always be people pulling the race card." If that isn't a contradiction, I don't know what is....It is statements like "The majority of "non white" ethnicities out there need to stop looking for an excuse or a justification on why society treats them a certain way" that make me question whether or not your opinion should be valued at all. Every voice should be heard, but the voice of a person pointing fingers at all races except his own screams ethnocentrism to me.
Would like to see any other useful posts that are saying something other than "all insults are the same", or "most non whites need to stop looking for excuses."
Well, besides you misinterpreting the sarcasm in my first post, you have valid arguments and you are entitled to your opinion. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by samaroo
Countless inhumane examples of White racism and domination encompass the modern world's history. I would hazard a guess that this history has something to do with hostile feeling towards White people, although myself I feel that this type of finger pointing is uncalled for.
Unfortunately, other minorities are just as guilty of racial tensions throughout history. People have been fighting since the beginning of time, and yes, the battles have gone both ways in regards to which race "wins" in all of history, including modern.
The reason that people feel that caucasian people are most racist is because they are the wealthiest in the world. They have "won" (For lack of a better term).
Every race has committed racist acts. To sit here and count them is pointless because, frankly, there are just too many. We can't ask people to forget what has happened to their race in the past, however, while people focus on the past they cannot put their full effort towards changing the future. And until this happens, those same people who feel discriminated against are going to discriminate against others with their racist attitudes. |
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| oldraven |
The only difference is the time of White dominance and Conquerors was better documented and in more recent history. Funny, I'm reading the new issue of National Geographic where they cover the time of the Black Pharaohs after the Nubians conquered Egypt in 730BC, giving Nubia control of the entire of the African Continent. They're calling it an "Ignored Chapter of History". Anyone remember Genghis Khan? How about Alex the Great Guy?
We're no more at fault for trying to dominate the world than any other ethnic group, we just did it more recently. The rise of Europe after the Dark Ages was no different from similar rising powers in their respective ages. |
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| samaroo |
TrevorK and oldraven, great points. I agree 100% with this statement:
"We can't ask people to forget what has happened to their race in the past, however, while people focus on the past they cannot put their full effort towards changing the future. And until this happens, those same people who feel discriminated against are going to discriminate against others with their racist attitudes." |
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| Tech2 |
What gets my goat is the relation of racism to salvery. What did you just think of when you read that? Let's look at what most people would have assumed: ... the relation of (white) racism to (black) slavery (in the US in the last 400 years.)
Yeah, that shit was not cool. But I also think about a few other points. Like where did the white people buy slaves from? Africa. Which has had a history of slavery going back pretty much as long as there was written history. Who did the whites buy the black slaves from. Other blacks, who went out and captured slaves to sell. Because they had a slavery system going back pretty much as long as there was written history.
What about modern times? Want to buy a slave, you can do it. But you have to go to the middle east like saudi arabia, where you can have a black african laborer for a few hundred bucks, or a white eastern european woman for a few thousand. Or maybe if you run a chinese factory, you can kidnap kids to work for you for free, because their hands are better suited to making small fireworks, I guess.
But no, no, it's white people who bear the entire blame for slavery at any time, in any place. And THAT shit ain't cool either. |
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