| BLOCKER |
For Clarification Only.... This is not intended as a Jab at anyone...
Police vehicles operating without siren
USE OF HIGHWAY AND RULES OF THE ROAD REGULATION
64(1) Where, considering the circumstances, it is reasonable and safe to do so, a peace officer driving a motor vehicle may, in carrying out the peace officer’s duties, do one or more of the following while not operating a siren:
(a) drive the motor vehicle in excess of the speed limit;
(b) proceed past a traffic control signal indicating stop or a stop sign without stopping;
(c) contravene any other provision that is prescribed by the Act, this or other regulations or a municipal bylaw governing the use of the highways.
(2) Where, considering the circumstances, it is reasonable and safe, a peace officer may, in carrying out the peace officer’s duties, park a motor vehicle, while not operating any flashing lights or siren, contrary to any provision that is prescribed by the Act, this or other regulations or a municipal bylaw governing the parking of motor vehicles.
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And There is no law (that I am aware of) that dis-allows you to use your cell phones while operating your motor vehicle... |
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| AudiInProgress |
Thanks for the info.
Does siren include lights, or just the audio? |
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| BLOCKER |
Siren is audio....
Ultimatley, without going into a lengthy explanation, A peace officer, "Where, considering the circumstances, it is reasonable and safe to do so, a peace officer driving a motor vehicle may, in carrying out the peace officer’s duties" can violate the traffic safety act.... however, if a collision occurs that is deamed the peace officer's fault, he will be liable. Keep in mind the service covers the liabilty as it was in the course of his duties. (humans make mistakes).
I am not going to get into the "what if's" |
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| AudiInProgress |
| Perfectly understandable. |
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| sparkycivic |
| is there a seperate part for operating with and without the "lightbar"? As in, speeding is ok, as long as the lightbar is activated? |
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| JeepGirl |
Speaking of cops and lights...
I was driving home from way northside and happened to see a cop car come wailing up the northside.. we met at the intersection at the same time.. both of us sliding.. I got my shit stopped and I double flashed him my highbeams and flagged him with my hand that he was clear to go and he proceeded and waved as he went by..
Then I read in the paper, yesterdays or the day before.. in the Sun, about this guy in newfieland getting charged/fined for flashing his highbeams at other drivers, warning them of a radar location...
What's the word on this in Alberta? Illegal? Like am I going to get a friggin stunting ticket for flashing my brights at people? I usually do to let them know they have right of way.. to go ahead of me, I'll hold traffic for you, Radar/speed trap ahead, etc etc etc.. Just common nice things I do while on the road.
I drive.. ALOT.. I've put more miles on in one year than most have in a lifetime, (pizza/booze/parcel/food deliveries, underground cab driver/company owner for a few years) and this is the first I've ever heard of it being illegal.. I guess from what the papers say, Alberta cops can use the stunting ticket for this one at their discretion, IE: If the cop had blueberries with his breakfast, he would issue the ticket... IE: Yet another revenue maker.. |
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| BLOCKER |
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Originally posted by sparkycivic
is there a seperate part for operating with and without the "lightbar"? As in, speeding is ok, as long as the lightbar is activated?
Yes speeding is okay when the light bar is activated, so is without the lights, there are many situations where we need to get into area quickly without warning people we are comming.
The only catch, if we are speeding without our lights and get into a collision we are liable. (it is all based circumstances).
Not only do we get demerits if we are issued a ticket (careless driving, speeding ect... but we get internal demerits as well) |
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| BLOCKER |
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Originally posted by JeepGirl
Speaking of cops and lights...
I was driving home from way northside and happened to see a cop car come wailing up the northside.. we met at the intersection at the same time.. both of us sliding.. I got my shit stopped and I double flashed him my highbeams and flagged him with my hand that he was clear to go and he proceeded and waved as he went by..
Then I read in the paper, yesterdays or the day before.. in the Sun, about this guy in newfieland getting charged/fined for flashing his highbeams at other drivers, warning them of a radar location...
What's the word on this in Alberta? Illegal? Like am I going to get a friggin stunting ticket for flashing my brights at people? I usually do to let them know they have right of way.. to go ahead of me, I'll hold traffic for you, Radar/speed trap ahead, etc etc etc.. Just common nice things I do while on the road.
I drive.. ALOT.. I've put more miles on in one year than most have in a lifetime, (pizza/booze/parcel/food deliveries, underground cab driver/company owner for a few years) and this is the first I've ever heard of it being illegal.. I guess from what the papers say, Alberta cops can use the stunting ticket for this one at their discretion, IE: If the cop had blueberries with his breakfast, he would issue the ticket... IE: Yet another revenue maker..
When using your high beams for a constructive purpose, I don't think any one will take offence, eventhough, you are not allowed to have your high beams on when approaching on comming traffic.
The Radar warning system would be considered "stunting."
Keep in mind, the province gets the majority of the money for tickets issued, so I wouldn't call it a "revenue maker." |
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| JeepGirl |
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Originally posted by BLOCKER
When using your high beams for a constructive purpose, I don't think any one will take offence, eventhough, you are not allowed to have your high beams on when approaching on comming traffic.
The Radar warning system would be considered "stunting."
So.. Let me get this right here... It's ok when it's constructive. Kinda open for interpretation there, like constructive for whom? It's ok to flash the brights for good but not eeeviill... I'll keep that in mind.. Stunting.. smells like a catch-all to me.. If that's considered "stunting" then why aren't the local radio/TV stations being fined/charged for broadcasting warnings of speed trap locations?
What about flicking your lights off and on quickly to alert other drivers of a radar trap? Not using the highbeams means I'm not stunting because I'm not breaking the Thou shalt not highbeam oncoming traffic law?
I ask because I'm in the middle of an ongoing debate with my husband on the subject.. He thinks it would be an obstruction charge.. I don't think the police would lay such a heavy charge for simple light flashing.. though I have been wrong before..
I'm still going to flash my brights / flick my lights off and on because sometimes.. people just need to know... people don't understand how 4 way uncontrolled intersections work..
People speeding I could care less about.. they deserve to get nailed... I've lost count of how many close calls I've had with other people speeding, flying up to a red light behind me and losing control, people menacing other drivers because they are doing the speed limit ON ICE and they aren't going fast enough, etc. So I'm not the person to expect a flash warning from for speed traps..
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Keep in mind, the province gets the majority of the money for tickets issued, so I wouldn't call it a "revenue maker."
Uhm.. uh huh.. isn't that what I just said? It's still a revenue maker, someone in charge somewhere is getting the money are they not?
Not trying to challenge you or anything, just interested in your interpretation. |
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| BLOCKER |
"I ask because I'm in the middle of an ongoing debate with my husband on the subject.. He thinks it would be an obstruction charge.. I don't think the police would lay such a heavy charge for simple light flashing.. though I have been wrong before.."
I will not get in the middle of the debate with you and your husband. (eventhough I probably am now)
yes it COULD be considered an obstruction charge, likley hood of being charged is minimal. More likely you would be given stunting or mis-use of lights or something similar.
"What about flicking your lights off and on quickly to alert other drivers of a radar trap? Not using the highbeams means I'm not stunting because I'm not breaking the Thou shalt not highbeam oncoming traffic law?"
Your are not allowed to flash your lights at on comming traffic be it, on and off or high beams.
how ever if you are signaling an intention you will probably not get charged. (reasonable explanation)
"So.. Let me get this right here... It's ok when it's constructive. Kinda open for interpretation there, like constructive for whom? It's ok to flash the brights for good but not eeeviill... I'll keep that in mind.. Stunting.. smells like a catch-all to me.. If that's considered "stunting" then why aren't the local radio/TV stations being fined/charged for broadcasting warnings of speed trap locations?"
we post radar location on our websites, its call transperency. and the radio stations are not distracting other users of the road like you would when you flash your lights.
and yes "stunting" or "drive without consideration for others" is a bit of catch all and is open to interpretation.
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Keep in mind, the province gets the majority of the money for tickets issued, so I wouldn't call it a "revenue maker."
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"Uhm.. uh huh.. isn't that what I just said? It's still a revenue maker, someone in charge somewhere is getting the money are they not?"
The intent of the comment was to say "I don't write tickets because the EPS or the Province collects the fines, I write them because it is my job"
The intent of photo radar is to slow people down, speed kills...
Personally I don't like photo radar, but ultimatley if you don't speed, you won't get flashed.
I know some one is thinking "speed doesn't kill, bad drivers do" I agree, however, if you can slow the bad drivers, there is less chance for them to get into a collision. It is a shotgun approach, but it is the only fesable one. |
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| JeepGirl |
Fair enough..
Thanks for the reply!
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