| spoon_86 |
| If you have taken the police polygraph test for the Edmonton Police Service let me know, I have some questions. Thanx. |
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| little_one_der |
| You can't beat it. |
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| BigTrucker |
| yes, they ask all sorts of stupid fucked up questions |
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| onestepback |
| From what I've heard, they ask a question about like whether or not you've looked into, or researched polygraph tests. |
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| anschutz_93 |
| I thought that polygraph tests were completely discredited due to the fact that they are so easy to cheat? :dunno: |
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| newaccorddriver |
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Originally posted by anschutz_93
I thought that polygraph tests were completely discredited due to the fact that they are so easy to cheat? :dunno:
its not so much that they can cheat, its that they can manipulate the results so easily. |
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| AudiInProgress |
| when are you required to take a police issued polygraph test? |
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| 4thGenLude |
| This thread is going to be chalk full of incorrect hearsay information. It's going to pain me to read it, however I know I probably will. |
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| ozzmodan |
And I quote George Costanza:
"Just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it" |
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| BLOCKER |
There are two types, The one you do if you are applying to the police service, and the one you do if you are under investigation.
In both cases
If you tell the truth, you have nothing to worry about.
In the later, if you did it, admit it... be a man and fess up to your wrong doings... |
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| Tech2 |
I've put some study into the subject, though I've never taken the test. If I was under investigation, guilty or not, I wouldn't take a polygraph. Long story short, the machine can't tell if you're lying, it can only tell if you're stressing out. Extra stress over certain questions and you come off as lying. Being that the very situation of taking a lie detector test in an unfamiliar environment that will determine your whole future in in front of cops who think they know you inside and out is stressful on it's own, there's a decent chance you're results will be poor or unreadable. Either way you'll be seen as lying or faking. It's kind of like having your blood pressure go up when you're in the doctor's office. You don't really have hypertension, but the situation can mess up the results.
As an aside, people are just as bad at detecting lies. Everyone (including me) thinks they can, but the research reality is that you're lucky to be correct 60% of the time. Research into parole officers pegs them at LESS than 50% correct. |
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| BLOCKER |
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Originally posted by Tech2
I've put some study into the subject, though I've never taken the test. If I was under investigation, guilty or not, I wouldn't take a polygraph. Long story short, the machine can't tell if you're lying, it can only tell if you're stressing out. Extra stress over certain questions and you come off as lying. Being that the very situation of taking a lie detector test in an unfamiliar environment that will determine your whole future in in front of cops who think they know you inside and out is stressful on it's own, there's a decent chance you're results will be poor or unreadable. Either way you'll be seen as lying or faking. It's kind of like having your blood pressure go up when you're in the doctor's office. You don't really have hypertension, but the situation can mess up the results.
As an aside, people are just as bad at detecting lies. Everyone (including me) thinks they can, but the research reality is that you're lucky to be correct 60% of the time. Research into parole officers pegs them at LESS than 50% correct.
A polygraph test is not as simple as hook you up to a machine, ask a few questions and they can tell that you are lying....
The operator has already done his home work, read the file, done the research on the subject...
They are well aware that it is a stressful environment that’s why the first third of the test (30-45 minutes) is spent establishing a baseline.
a good operator will not stress you out, he is very calm and understands the situation is stressful.
I can't get into how the polygraph is used as an investigative tool, but I can say, If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about...
Tech2, I am not disputing you on your findings, there is however more to the story then what you have posted. The best way I can describe it is this,
Think of a paint brush... put it in the hands of an amateur and what do get... put that same brush in the hands of the artist, and it is a totally different picture.
In other words to use the Polygraph effectively, the operator has to be a talented interviewer and very aware of the idiosyncrasies of the file...
From personal experience I can tell you that the EPS polygraphists are nothing but consummate professionals. |
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| Tech2 |
Another excellent post by blocker, just what I was expecting to see. :D It's always great to get good information from the other side of the fence, so to speak.
I'd just hate to be the guy on the losing end of a shitty situation that could have been avoided, so I still wouldn't want to take a polygraph test. This is of course nothing against the edmonton police, who have been nothing but professional in all of my personal dealings with them and who I hold in high regard, but with high stakes involved I'd try another route if at all possible.
Again Blocker, much appreciation for your posts. |
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| AudiInProgress |
| I don't remember reading anything on the EPS site about having to take a polygraph... wtf |
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| AudiInProgress |
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Originally posted by BLOCKER
http://www.joineps.ca/application/r...ment/selection/
Look again....
Tech2
Thanks for the complements...
:beer:
Thanks for clearing that up.
Maybe if I just come clean and tell them the locations of the rest of the dead burried prostitutes they'll let me join, just for being such a good sport, what do you say? |
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| Geofux |
| It would probably be best not to tell them any of those details. However, if you are asked about prostitutes.. you should tell them of Tim's every Friday night at 75th and Gateway. |
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| spoon_86 |
so what im worried about is i stole a dirtbike about 6-7 years ago and at the end of the application it says that they can investigate anything you disclose. Well if the person reported it then im screwed, but i dont want to lie on the pollygraph lol im screwed either way i guess.
If anyone has taken the pollygraph, Do they ask alot of questions from your personal discloser form? |
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| BLOCKER |
If you don't disclose this to your file manager before the polygraph and it is learned during the polygraph (which it will be).. you will be given a life deferral.
We don't appreciate deception... this would have been covered during the "any other criminal activity" part of your PDF.
You had better start making a menz for your previous indiscretions.
Sorry don't mean to sound harsh, but you need to step up. |
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| Tech2 |
| How does EPS recruiting feel about past indiscretions? You see a lot of recruiting ads these days, but with 50% of canadians having tried some form of illegal recreational drug would that earn a life deferral for all these folks? |
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| HEWSINATOR |
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Originally posted by BLOCKER http://www.joineps.ca/application/r...ment/selection/
"The test will take approximately 1 hour an 35 minutes to complete .... designed to assess one's ability to communicate in writing."
The irony of the above is pretty funny. Typos/mistakes happen, but in this case I find it particularly funny.
On a more related note, I find all of this quite interesting; the process of becoming a member that is. |
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| bw54867 |
| I have heard that if you have used drugs in the past you may pass the test but if you have sold drugs in the past it is an automatic fail, any truth to this? |
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| 4thGenLude |
Using drugs is not a lifetime deferral. Really it doesn't matter if you've tried some recreational drugs in your past. What matters most is whether or not the fact you've accepted these as bad decisions and changed your lifestyle. Showing change is a huge part of the polygraph.
As for using and selling drugs, the severity is as followed (Top being the worst)
1.Selling.
2.Buying.
3.Using.
All this being said, remember that you can not have induldged within 3 years of your application. |
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| little_one_der |
This is just hearsay on my part, but a friend of mine was very into applying (we are maximizing our gym work out plan to pass the physical), mentioned that he's done some non-legal things in the past, and basicaly all he has to do is disclose it the first time he applies. Then they ask him to apply after another year and he gets a clean slate.
'Tis true?
Also: Is there any bit of bias towards hiring people with ethnic backgrounds vs. someone with only Caucasian Canadian background?
I'm not saying they are racist. I just thought I heard that they prefer to diversify their force. |
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| BLOCKER |
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Originally posted by 4thGenLude
Using drugs is not a lifetime deferral. Really it doesn't matter if you've tried some recreational drugs in your past. What matters most is whether or not the fact you've accepted these as bad decisions and changed your lifestyle. Showing change is a huge part of the polygraph.
As for using and selling drugs, the severity is as followed (Top being the worst)
1.Selling.
2.Buying.
3.Using.
All this being said, remember that you can not have induldged within 3 years of your application.
I couldn't have said it better.
little_one_der ...
You have to disclose all of your "skeletons"... depending on the severity and type will dictate if you continue or are differed...
As with every gov't agency there is a requirement to hire from the various cultural backgrounds, however, with the EPS we do not lower our minimum standards for application. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
So back to the polygraph.. does it detect stress? or does it detect other stuff? I'm just curious.. cause I don't get stressed..
with the EPS how far back to they make you go? I remember when I was signing up for the army I had to go back 10 years.. so I was trying to remember what I was doing when i was 7yrs old on summer break.... heh.. what schools I went to, etc. |
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| cupcake |
I think there's a difference in the result between regular stress and stress resulting from deception. Okay, well, it doesn't measure stress. It measures your physiological responses: blood pressure, respiratory/heart rate, electro-dermo activity, things you can't usually control.
It would only be logical that the baseline is different for everyone and if there's a spike in the result, that doesn't mean you're doomed. The question correlated with the spike is examined. From what I remember from class, random questions--neutural/control, those designed to elicit a reaction, etc.--are thrown in here and there for comparison. |
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| AudiInProgress |
This just reminds me of that scene from Glimmer Man with Steven Seagal... Where they hook him up to a polygraph, and ask him to answer "yes" to the following two question;
"Is your name ________?"
"Yes."
"Have you ever climbed Mt. Everest?"
"Yes."
And they expected the second question to be false answer and provide them with a baseline... bahaha
<3 Steven Seagal. |
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| wireless |
lmaoo my school cop once tried to make me do a polygraph test because he thought i threw a stinkbomb in the hallway in my high school
next day he said it probablyu wont happen
good old times hahah
head office probably had a few chuckles at his expense |
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| wireless |
lmaoo my school cop once tried to make me do a polygraph test because he thought i threw a stinkbomb in the hallway in my high school
next day he said it probablyu wont happen because "its just a stinkbomb"
good old times hahah
head office probably had a few chuckles at his expense |
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