| tabarnak |
Question....if some cops have in dash cameras and rec. you getting pulled over(i don't think we have much indash cameras in alberta) but, if i'm in my car and have a camera...can i set it by the passanger seat to rec. me getting crap by the officer....???
asking because in some movies, as soon as the officer come over to talk and see's the camera they tell them to trun it off...... |
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| BLOCKER |
You can have a camera in your car recording when you get pulled over.
Some police officers don't like, but you can.
If they feel it may offer evidence to the offence, (example, you recorded your self doing 200 km/h and that is why you were pulled over) it could be siezed.
Short answer, yes you can. Don't do anything to get pulled over and you have nothing to worry about. |
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| 4kruzn |
| acctually i have advised many people of this exact thing. the instant the officer begins to raise his/her voice you must simpley say.. excuse me for a sec while i turn on my camera phone to record the rest of this conversation. end of discussion. they dont have to like it. its you right. |
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| DivineRight |
2 questions,
1) Do you get pulled over that much that you need to justify putting a camera in your car to record all of your vehicle stops by police?
2) What purpose does it serve, I mean put yourself in the police officer's shoes, if you found some guy purposely trying to undermine your authority and discredit you, how would you treat them? |
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| tabarnak |
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2 questions,
1) Do you get pulled over that much that you need to justify putting a camera in your car to record all of your vehicle stops by police?
2) What purpose does it serve, I mean put yourself in the police officer's shoes, if you found some guy purposely trying to undermine your authority and discredit you, how would you treat them?
nope i've never been pulled over,yet...... i was just asking because i've seen it in movies. |
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| Jojdm |
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Originally posted by DivineRight
2 questions,
1) Do you get pulled over that much that you need to justify putting a camera in your car to record all of your vehicle stops by police?
2) What purpose does it serve, I mean put yourself in the police officer's shoes, if you found some guy purposely trying to undermine your authority and discredit you, how would you treat them?
Your two points show how narrow minded your point of view is, please see response below:
1) I don't think this just applies to recording police officers. How about enhancing the security of your prized vehicle?? Some people choose to have alarms in their houses, some choose to combine this with video surveillance. Why would this be any different in people's choice in securing their vehicle. Bottom line, If people have the funds they can increase their security to their vehicles accordingly.
2) Well it serves as the eyes and a silent witness if required, just as this is in your cruiser if an altercation were to take place. This does not undermine any authority, it prevents law enforcement from abusing their "authority", or perhaps a vehcile hijacking were to take place. You cannot automatically summize that people are trying to undermine the police. Some people value security more than others. I dislike the word "authority", because if you treat people with respect, more than likely will treat you with the same courtesy.
Finally if you have a problem with being discredited then you are not conducting yourself in the professional manner that is expected of the EPS and you should not be a police officer.
Just always remember whether you are a civilian or law enforcement, there is always the possibility you're on camera.
food for thought on your next pull-over boys and girls.
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| DivineRight |
Very interesting how you twist my words jojdm and how you use the camera which was obviously meant to capture police officers (as was the initial reason by the original poster) and hide behind a visage of "vehicle security". How is your vehicle camera going to catch someone who has already stolen your car? How is your vehicle camera that is pointed towards the driver's side going to cover 360 degrees around your car?
jojdm, please don't insult my intelligence as it is you who is clearly "narrow minded". Everyone here knew the OP was talking about video-taping police during traffic stops, so did you.
You talk about "abusing their authority", really what do you mean by that? What do you consider "professional manner"? In all the times that I have dealt with lawyers, accountants, pharmacists, doctors and nurses, they will reciprocate the same attitude that I give...sometimes when they have bad days, I've been yelled at, told "if you don't like it, go somewhere else because I don't really care."( heck the last lawyer I dealt with told me "we are at war!" over a minor condo fees dispute ) Funny how we can't video tape their attitudes and make complaints about how we were treated "unprofessionally" by these so-called professionals. jojdm, why don't you try walking into one of those places with a video camera, preaching your "food for thought" next time and see how you are treated?
So before you dictate from your high chair about unrealistic standards that you couldn't dream of abiding by stop and think for a second "what am I really doing?" "What am I trying to accomplish by doing this?" Then again, this is like all the arm-chair quarter backs that complain about their favourite athlete by telling them how they SHOULD do things.
Remember, the topic wasn't about "installing video surveillance in my vehicle to protect my assets", it was "will I piss off the police if I video-tape them at my next traffic stop for no apparent reason?"
jojdm my question to you is, did you have anything constructive to add or did you just post for no other reasons than to be confrontational and critical? |
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| Jojdm |
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Originally posted by DivineRight
Very interesting how you twist my words jojdm and how you use the camera which was obviously meant to capture police officers (as was the initial reason by the original poster) and hide behind a visage of "vehicle security". How is your vehicle camera going to catch someone who has already stolen your car? How is your vehicle camera that is pointed towards the driver's side going to cover 360 degrees around your car?
jojdm, please don't insult my intelligence as it is you who is clearly "narrow minded". Everyone here knew the OP was talking about video-taping police during traffic stops, so did you.
You talk about "abusing their authority", really what do you mean by that? What do you consider "professional manner"? In all the times that I have dealt with lawyers, accountants, pharmacists, doctors and nurses, they will reciprocate the same attitude that I give...sometimes when they have bad days, I've been yelled at, told "if you don't like it, go somewhere else because I don't really care."( heck the last lawyer I dealt with told me "we are at war!" over a minor condo fees dispute ) Funny how we can't video tape their attitudes and make complaints about how we were treated "unprofessionally" by these so-called professionals. jojdm, why don't you try walking into one of those places with a video camera, preaching your "food for thought" next time and see how you are treated?
So before you dictate from your high chair about unrealistic standards that you couldn't dream of abiding by stop and think for a second "what am I really doing?" "What am I trying to accomplish by doing this?" Then again, this is like all the arm-chair quarter backs that complain about their favourite athlete by telling them how they SHOULD do things.
Remember, the topic wasn't about "installing video surveillance in my vehicle to protect my assets", it was "will I piss off the police if I video-tape them at my next traffic stop for no apparent reason?"
jojdm my question to you is, did you have anything constructive to add or did you just post for no other reasons than to be confrontational and critical?
As you know despite the measure people take to on securing their possessions, if someone wants to steal something, they will find a way. As I had mentioned previously people combine different security medias. In response to " How is your vehicle camera going to catch someone who has already stolen your car" First off that is impossible. I am suprised you would even ask this??? A camera cannot stop people from committing crimes. The camera provides proof and with GPS which most vehicles have (onstar) this is what you would call "evidence" in a proceeding. Secondly there is such thing as having multiple cameras, that cover "all" angles, which I may add can all be discreetly placed.
second point not worth commenting on.... you will get answer on second last paragraph.
" abusing authority " take it as you will, it is open to interpretation. What I define professional manner is conduct. That is for you to "provide effective, responsive and professional policing to the citizens of Edmonton" and the "public has the right to make compliments or complaint against officers and policies of EPS"
- Edmonton Police Commission
With your comparison to lawyers, accountants etc. etc. and how they yell at you all the time. Has it ever crossed your mind that they are yelling at you because of a possible attitude problem on your part? and not just because they're having a "bad day". The difference is they typically conduct their practice in a private setting and you monitor the beat in public. You're comparing apples to oranges so to speak. If you have been recieving such bad service by these professionals, why don't you complain? they all have their appropriate bodies.
Before you talk about being an "arm chair quarterback", first off your not in the same light all though you may think as my favorite sports athlete, you're not even in the same ballpark. And what do you mean with user name "Divine Right" I can come to conclusions, I will let you think about that, I don't even need to explain, besides you're intelligent enough??
Let me be clear I am identifying the reasons why people have camera's in their vehicles, not all people just do it to "piss off the police" There is more to this topic than I believe the OP was getting at , as the post was vague. Either way it is open for discussion, after all this a forum, and I am bringing constructive points to the table that are valid. It is apparent I hit a soft spot with you and by no means was it intentional and you should not get so defensive.
Well that should be food for thought for now. I am assuming you may have been completing your shift at 3:30 this morning so perhaps that may have been the reason for the aggressive tone in your response. I would probably be the same way if I had to deal with drunks until the wee hours of the weekend, but let's hope it wasn't your night off and you were one of the above noted individuals : ) . Have a good rest either way.
Kindest Regards,
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| BLOCKER |
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Originally posted by Jojdm
" abusing authority " take it as you will, it is open to interpretation. What I define professional manner is conduct. That is for you to "provide effective, responsive and professional policing to the citizens of Edmonton" and the "public has the right to make compliments or complaint against officers and policies of EPS"
- Edmonton Police Commission
Jojdm
Ultimately, if you are doing nothing wrong, there shouldn't be a problem with it being caught on tape. However, the media tends to portray only the worst part, "the beating" part of the video. Very rarely do they play the numerous commands to get back or comply. This is why officers often object to being recorded.
(this is a metaphor, so don't take it the wrong way). Police are like society’s sheep dogs. (Good people are like sheep and bad people are like wolfs). The sheep don't like the sheep dog. When the sheep dog is around, the sheep tend to mind their business, however if a sheep gets out of line, the sheep gets nipped on the leg by the sheep dog. When a wolf comes around, the sheep tend to hide behind sheep dog, looking for protection.
There is some interesting discussion going on in this thread, however, I need to make a statement... And I apologize if it is a little off topic.
People should exercise their right to make a complaint about discredible conduct on the part of a police officer. How come, when a malicious complaint is made on the part of the police officer and it is proven as such, the person who made the complaint does not undergo the same scrutiny and stress endured by that officer? |
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| DivineRight |
Jojdm, my username is an old internet moniker with a deep and rich history from my younger days. This is an open discussion, I don't know you and you don't know me so lets not be petty.
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With your comparison to lawyers, accountants etc. etc. and how they yell at you all the time. Has it ever crossed your mind that they are yelling at you because of a possible attitude problem on your part? and not just because they're having a "bad day". The difference is they typically conduct their practice in a private setting and you monitor the beat in public. You're comparing apples to oranges so to speak. If you have been receiving such bad service by these professionals, why don't you complain? they all have their appropriate bodies.
I'm surprised that you didn't recognize the sarcasm because I actually have a great relationship with most doctors, nurses, my accountant, pharmacist and lawyer (although that one lawyer really did say "we are at war!" that last time we talked). The key phrase that you said was:
Has it ever crossed your mind that they are yelling at you because of a possible attitude problem on your part? and not just because they're having a "bad day".
This line is the one point that I am trying to make. I also love how you pointed out that
I would probably be the same way if I had to deal with drunks until the wee hours of the weekend
It is funny how people will admit that they can't deal with what a police officer has to deal with on a typical night yet they expect them to "yes sir, no sir, how high would you like me to jump sir?" when they are dealing with these drunks, these people with really bad attitude problems who have broken the law.
I don't know what you do for a living but if your every move was questioned, if your ever decision regardless of the situation could result in criminal & civil charges plus discrediting your entire field of work could you still do your job to the best of your abilities AND still be able to look yourself in the mirror the next day?
If a complaint is valid then by all means make it against discredible police conduct. I agree that police officers should be held to a higher standard but the problem is, this higher standard is not defined and the bar just keeps rising. How do you uphold the law and not piss people off? People never think of themselves as bad people and have problems with admitting they were wrong. Jojdm, why don't you give it a try yourself? What set me apart from the rest of my friends and family was that rather than complaining about the police, rather than scrutinizing from the backseat, I'm doing it and doing it and conducting myself the way I feel is just and right. If you can't pass the screening, the intense physical regiment and the training, I won't fault you for it but why don't you try working with the law rather than against it.
As ridiculous as it sounds, many people believe that police officers are all like the ones from Rampart, all corrupt, all power hungry and enjoy abusing their power over the normal Joe. Thats like thinking all priests are child molesters. |
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| Jojdm |
It is obvious I am hitting a nerve with you......
"this higher standard is not defined and the bar just keeps rising. How do you uphold the law and not piss people off? People never think of themselves as bad people and have problems with admitting they were wrong. Jojdm, why don't you give it a try yourself?"
What is it that I need to try DR???? You are incorrect, just admit it.
I realize your job is difficult and I believe your occupation has on e of the highest divorce rates from any other field. You said it yourself with all the pressures you face "do your job to the best of your abilities AND still be able to look yourself in the mirror the next day?" DR ask yourself this, is it really worth it??
"What set me apart from the rest of my friends and family was that rather than complaining about the police, rather than scrutinizing from the backseat" No one forced you to be an officer or to do anything, so why don't you just deal with it.
You seem more concerned with being implicated with criminal and civil suits than upholding the law and keeping the peace. I can't help but ask it seems like you have an abundance of proceedings against you, is it something you are doing for this to happen???
"I won't fault you for it but why don't you try working with the law rather than against it."
First off I have friends that are public servants ( police, FD ) I would be able to pass the screening and physical requirements no problem, but that is just not for me, I prefer a short career and long retirement time than putting in 25 years+ only to get moved to a simple office spot and a gold plated medal. My friends have mentioned my conditioning is better than most recent recruits, but I'm sure they're just trying to be nice.
How can you assume this "why don't you try working with the law rather than against it." You are incorrect.
I do my citizen duty in reporting suspicious activities, potential drunk drivers, and due diligence. I have been understanding to your previous posts and I think I have been fair and just in my commenting.
If you can't hack it, get another job. stop whinning.
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| DivineRight |
Jojdm, you don't have friends who are police or even FD. You are a pompous prick who just likes to stir the pot. Otherwise you won't talk the big game (actually, maybe you are that one "friend" who is the wannabe with the well-stocked fridge, big screen plasma and a garage full of snap-on tools)...you talk about hitting nerves, look at your own posts there buddy, you are the one who hangs on every one of my words.
You keep trying to turn this into a school yard fight, throwing around insults and hiding behind cliches. I'm done with you son, trying to get through to you is pointless because you are the one who is narrow minded. What have you understood from my previous posts? Oh, thats right first there was the twisting of the OP's post and stretching it into some sort of weak attempt at vehicle security to make me look bad, then Chef Rhamseys you called me a whiner. Then there was the cheapshot at my online moniker. Then you called me a whiner some more and told me that you want to marry rich and stay home with the babies (thats the only job that I know of where you have a short career and a long retirement).
I asked you once before, "what am I really doing?" "what am I trying to accomplish?" Rather than trying to feed your big ego because you think you put a cop in his place on an internet forum, why don't you just keep doing your citizen's duty? I have to say though, I had a good laugh at the "small office and a gold plated medal" line because if you only knew what kind of offices our white shirts have...
I'd tell you to have a nice day yourself but I hate condesending attitudes, petty women use condesending attitudes. Then again thats all you have been, throughout this discussion you have said that my posts had been "aggressive", (really, what part? I don't know how to make my words tickle your soul, I'm not Celine Dion I guess), that I have been wrong (I'm not sure what I have been wrong about) so before you slang terms like "deal with it" try it on for size yourself. You need to check your ego before it gets you into trouble, regardless what your imaginary friends have fed to you ok?
I realize that with the arrogance and big ego you have, that you will probably attempt to take the last word. I just wanted you to know that this post was everything your last few were. Don't take my kindess and mistaken it for weakness son. If you want to throw insults back and forth, I'm game, but take it to pm's. Or you could go launch a complaint against me that I was rude to you on the internet.
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