| Water/Methanol/Isopropanol injection - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| SilverFire |
I'm on the verge of installing a water/methanol injection system on my JDM 20v 4A-GE to help with the octane requirements.
Through the summer, water should be all I need, but for the winter, obviously I'll need to mix it with some alcohol to avoid freezing. Everything I see on the 'net talks about methanol, but I've also found it's not exactly easy to get ahold of in any kind of significant quantities. I'm wondering if anyone here knows how Isopropanol (aka isopropyl alcohol, denatured alcohol, mineral spirits, rubbing alcohol) would work in the same application. It's latent heat of vaporization, volumetric heat capacity, freezing and boiling points are all almost identical to methanol, so from a physics point of view, I know it'll work. What worries me is if it's more corrosive/reactive than methanol. A big reason for the injection system is to help the engine live longer, so using a fluid that will wreck it would be kind of pointless. Why I ask is that it's both cheap and easy to get, so I can't see why everybody isn't using it.
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| flatboy |
You can buy methanol in 1 gal jugs at Red L, and Greggs distributing, then mix you own 50/50 is what you wana ame for. Without the methanol you ain't goina get the octane your looking for. You would also have to have a different tune for water compaired to meth/water mix.
NADP is a Snowboost distributer, they might have the boostcooler mix, I know they sell the kits(can bring them in)
What ever you tune for you need to stay with that kinda mixture, or your looking for trouble.
Also some guys run a windshield washer fluid. Look on the ingredients and see if you can find one that meets what your looking for.
You can also run 5-10% Nitromethane if your ballzi
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| ImportsDirect |
| I ran washer fluid in my old Audi that Skarolla now owns. Never had an issue, but it was tuned to run it. |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by SilverFire
but for the winter, obviously I'll need to mix it with some alcohol to avoid freezing. Everything I see on the 'net talks about methanol, but I've also found it's not exactly easy to get ahold of in any kind of significant quantities. I'm wondering if anyone here knows how Isopropanol (aka isopropyl alcohol, denatured alcohol, mineral spirits, rubbing alcohol) would work in the same application.
Just use winter washer fluid. Seriously. |
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| STiPWR |
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Originally posted by Inzane
Just use winter washer fluid. Seriously.
As long as its the non glycol mix (Blue I think) That will work. |
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| flatboy |
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Originally posted by STiPWR
As long as its the non glycol mix (Blue I think) That will work.
Ya the glycol ain't goina do you any favours. |
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| Can't Stop Spin |
My local husky carriers 99.9% methanol in 1 gal jugs for only $10. It's stove fuel, but meth is meth :lol:
You have to be very careful with washerfluids. You don't want one that is high in detergents. Give the bottle a decent shake, if it foams up, don't use it, as it'll have too many detergents for your car. |
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| EDISKRAD EHT |
| Just buy Methyl Hydrate from Home Depet, Gregg's, etc.... and mix it with Distilled Water to whatever % you find works best for you. |
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| silvermist |
| just be carefull not to by to much or you'll have the cops banging down your door:D |
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| flatboy |
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Originally posted by silvermist
just be carefull not to by to much or you'll have the cops banging down your door:D
thats the 2nd time today I heard that.
I want a big bottlle of nitrous so I called AirLiquide to get a price on a big bottle and the guy said the same thing to me, I guess nitrousoxide is also a product that is used for making meth:dunno: |
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| Geofux |
| Meh. As long as you have nothing to hide you shouldn't have to worry, plus if you show them it's for your car... :thumbup: |
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| SilverFire |
Thanks guys.
I guess methanol is harder to get in the states than it is here. It's even cheaper than isopropanol too. Good.
I'm going to go that route then. I've heard about the wiper fluid, but I've also heard about way too many guys messing up their nozzles with it. Admittedly, I don't know all the details on those failures, and I might be fine, but I'd rather just not take that chance. |
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| flatboy |
I don't know why it'd mess up a nozzle unless there is a build up of crude on it over time. Distilled water I think would help that, plus it should be a yearly maintence thingy to clean it and make sure you got a filter too.
Did you call NADP? Maybe I'll call them for fun and post what they say for a price.
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| silvermist |
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Originally posted by flatboy
thats the 2nd time today I heard that.
I want a big bottlle of nitrous so I called AirLiquide to get a price on a big bottle and the guy said the same thing to me, I guess nitrousoxide is also a product that is used for making meth:dunno:
I don't think nitrous oxide is a product in meth, but could be used as a heating fuel. I know nitrous was used in dentist offices decades ago as an anistetic ( laughing gas) maybe they where afraid ou where going to breath it all the time and get high, or maybe they a BIG bottle of the stuff is a danger if you didn't store it right( like in a explosion proof room or something) but that depends on the size of the bottle you wanted. |
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| flatboy |
I guess the SnowPreformance Boost Juice can't be shipped outside the US. Looks like you'll be making your own.
shayne |
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| crzyone |
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Originally posted by silvermist
I don't think nitrous oxide is a product in meth, but could be used as a heating fuel.
Nitrous Oxide does not burn on its own. It is an oxidizer. |
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| Kybol |
| If you know anyone that works at a gas plant, they could probably get you it by the barrel or truck load:thumbup: since alot of their wells probably have like a 250 gal tank of it. Thats probably what I will do when i can finally get around to buying a kit. Last spring i found a full 5gal pail in our field, that they must of forgot in a snowbank near the well. |
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| ChromeDragon |
| Check out solvent suppliers and just buy a 5-gallon drum. Will last you damn long time. |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by flatboy
thats the 2nd time today I heard that.
I want a big bottlle of nitrous so I called AirLiquide to get a price on a big bottle and the guy said the same thing to me, I guess nitrousoxide is also a product that is used for making meth:dunno:
No nitrous in making meth, not sure what buddy was thinking when he told u that. |
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| ChromeDragon |
People do try to get high by inhaling nitrous oxide though.
What kits have people used? I'd like to find a local supplier with reputable kits. |
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| tokes |
The snow kits are nice as far as mass-produced stuff goes.
I'm a large fan of www.alkycontrol.net kits though. |
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| tokes |
Yeah, just messed up on the URL.
They were one of (if not the) first progressive kits on the market. It's priced fair, and Julio offers great customer service on his kits. 100% meth in one of his kits is the way to go. |
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