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| Miss Nikki Sixx |
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why are murderers, rapists, child/animal abusers allowed into a church where a perfectly decent citizen is denied.. simply because they chose to love someone of their own sex?
What? Where do you get this from? Don't make up facts, that's the biggest BS ever.
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it's love, isn't it? shouldn't love be encouraged and not shunned?
It is love, I believe that no one has stated that their love is not genuine, rather, that it shouldn't cross that boundary into marriage.
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afterall, why does it matter so much to you guys? just because there are gay men out there, it doesn't mean that YOU have to be gay, too
It's much easier to type GAY, but I do believe everyone opposed to "gay" marriages is in fact against HOMOSEXUAL union, that is, lesbian too. I know I am, I don't care if it's two guys to two women, it's wrong regardless.
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it's THEIR business.
WHY NOT START MINDING YOUR OWN?
Again, no one is saying thay can't BE gay, hey, be as gay as you want, but it's OUR business when they want to invade the sacrament of marriage. |
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| Miss Nikki Sixx |
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So if gays can get married, whats stopping people from marrying their cats after, or their house, or hell, maybe even their apple pie.
Ha! There ya go, took the words right out of my mouth! SEEEEEE!!!!! :P
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In a democracy, MAJORITY RULES
Ideally, unfortunately our goverment sucks... That's why we supposedly elect these jerks into office, to represent OUR views?? Wish it actually worked that way. But realize this, if you didn't go out and vote, then how much of a right do YOU have to complain?? Touche.
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There are some things that you just have to draw a line with, this, is one of those things.
Read my reply on Page 1: Get with the program!! |
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| I guess the only good thing Klein did is oppose fagot marriages :bigthumbup: |
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| REFLUX |
| :thumbsdown: to homosexual marriages |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
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Originally posted by REFLUX@Aug 9 2003, 08:26 PM
:thumbsdown: to homosexual marriages
close-minded bastard :lol: it's cause you're religious isn't it? If two gay people live together just like two hetero's were to live together for a yr. then that's common-law and that law applies to them to the best of my knowledge. The ONLY reason why it's opposed so fiercely is the big old un-changing dinosaur we call church. If two people are truely in love, let them officiate their marriage and share it with the world. The only thing that makes them different is their sexual orientation.. what they do behind the bedroom. Some couples get married and only have sex to procreate such as mormons. They won't be procreating with two of the same equipment so why is it any skin offa your nose? Why do you PERSONALLY take offence to two people whom you will never meet, most likely? |
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Just morals it is WRONG! they can stay gay and marriage wont change a bit for them. Like really they do not need the title of being married.
SAY NO TO HOMO'S (Well them and their marriages) |
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| Pro Drag |
I think Darwin should be allowed to step in. Let's let Evolution take it's course.Let homo's get married, but not adopt.
They can pitch and catch all they like until they die and could by nature never procreate.
If being homosexual truly is a genetic difference that you are BORN with, let's see how they fair, based on the merit's of their own "culture".
How long can a "culture" last when it is fundamentally flawed by not being able to sustain itself?
In our idealistic society we live in these days, alot of people "don't see the harm" in making concessions on issues they don't really care about. That is one of our problems. History has shown (and hopefully taught) us that if you give "somebody" an inch, "somebody" will take a mile. The line needs to be drawn somewhere. |
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| DrunkenGoddess |
Marriage to heterosexuals is sacred in that not only it's a legal bond, but a commitment to stand by each other through all in life. Yes, that, indeed is sacred and special.
Marriage to homosexuals mean the very same thing. How then, can it intrude on the very same sacredness?
Furthermore, you mentioned that marriage has always happened between 1 man and 1 woman. Well, can you be so sure that 2 men, or 2 women have not always had relationships in the past? Can you be sure that they have not lived like a married couple? Because if my assumption that homosexuality has always existed, then just like marriage between a man and a woman.. it's always been with humanity. Now, you say that because it's never been legal to wed two humans of the same sex, it can't happen, now, right? Well, look at how we've progressed? Buddy.. WEED's about to be legalized!
And look at the female sex. Do you know how far we've come in society to finally achieve some sort of equal status in life? Had society kept the narrow-mindedness.. women would STILL have no place in life. And it HAS been dated back in history that women's always been the housewife.. the inferior sex.
My point in bringing women into this is that we can progress as a race. We've been progressing all these years.. Why stop now?
And lastly, we're talking about humans. Loving another human and legalizing a human to wed a human of the same sex does not equal legalizing marriage amongst inanimate objects such as an "apple pie." That is just bogus and out of context for this discussion.
We're simply talking about equality amongst humans here.
And as someone else mentioned.. homosexuals will not be able to reproduce so there's no worry to "abnormal" offspring which might affect the future of humans. Incest however, cannot be legalized because it has been scientifically proven that the offspring resulted between relatives will be messed up. And on top of that.. incest is actually IN our history. However, we've PROGRESSED and thus, BANNED it from continuing.
Let it go people.. Can you really live with yourself knowing that you're going to limit other people's lives due to stubborness, narrow-mindedness and cynicism? These are people who've never offended you before. These are fellow humans trying to share equal liberty. How can you ppl be so selfish as to deprive your peers of rights that you, yourself have always been privy to? |
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| redbaron303 |
PPL: :slap: Still close minded... I doubt the majority of ppl against homosexuals getting married would actually approve of them being gay to start with but won't say so on here....
I like how ppl say marriage is sacred, a tradition that must be properlly preserved as the union of a hetro couple. How many of you ppl that are against gay marriages actually follow a set faith, or regularily attend church???
You know, it doesn't affect me if they do or if they don't.... the reprocusions (long term) if they do could cause more caos than desired, but its something that can be handled if the situation is dealt with right and guided with major boundaries.
I've heard that a straight couple can declaire they're common law and rep the legal benefits of a married couple...? If this is true, is it possible for a gay couple to do this. If it is, then a commonlaw gay couple would basically have the same rights as a hetro couple, married or not... and thus would allow for them to not "f@ck up" a tradition, marriage. |
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| DrunkenGoddess |
you know what redbaron.. thank you!
i feel so cast out around this forum! >.< |
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| redbaron303 |
I think you're the only one that agrees with me..... Oh well...
We're deffinatly out#ed, but we can't give into the masses..... maybe they'll see our point of view one day...? |
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| Almost |
I'm not sure where this belief that marriage is between 1 woman and 1 man Only since the beginning of time came from.
taking a look at the world as a whole and you'll find the definition of marriage as 2 individuals only, as the exception to the rule not the standard. The most prevalent type of marriage over the centuries has been many women to 1 man,
the 1 man - 1 women bond is a distant second. Hell in a large protion of northern Asia when a women marries a man she also marries all of his brothers.
even in north america numerous types of marriages and combinations have been prevalent at one time or another.
I had no idea how many strict catholics we had on this board.......
If you don't like gay people just go a head and say it, but arguing that the definition of marriage has always been 1 man/ 1 women, is total bullshit even in our own culture. |
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| REFLUX |
:thumbsdown: to homo marriage
The only thing that makes me oppose it is due to the fact that many homosexuals don't seem to have any sense of humility of humbleness.
Like I've said earlier in this thread (at least I think I have), be homosexual, be proud of who & what you are...that is good for you, being ashamed of who/what you are doesn't make life enjoyable.
But you (homosexuals) should not be COCKY/FLAUNTING yourself like a whore.
If I see a homosexual couple walking down the street holding hands, I think that's great. They are happy and not afraid to be who they are in public.
If people want to be treated equally in society, DO NOT ask for special treatment!!!
Everyone else in society does not get special treatment for being who they are, NOR SHOULD HOMOSEXUALS.
How come straight people don't have Straight Week? How come we can't have parades?
The public "thumbsup" given to being homosexual leads to things such as the NYC All Homosexual High School. The kids aren't even of age and they can classify themselves as being homosexual????????
What's next? Homo milk is going to have a gay/lesbian couple holding hands on the box JUST because the milk is HOMO-GENIZED???
Give me a break.
My POINT in all of this ranting boils down to:
1) Anyone who wants to be treated equally in society should NOT be given special benefits by society NOR should be given unfair & unjust treatment by society.
2) You're homosexual, do not be ashamed. But DO NOT walk around waving the homo flag or have rainbow stickers on the back of your car!!! Have some humility. |
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| redbaron303 |
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1) Anyone who wants to be treated equally in society should NOT be given special benefits by society NOR should be given unfair & unjust treatment by society.
2) You're homosexual, do not be ashamed. But DO NOT walk around waving the homo flag or have rainbow stickers on the back of your car!!! Have some humility.
I agree with this.
However, I still don't see a point to deneying gay couples the right to marry. LIke I said before if they want to marry b/c it's for love then great, but not if it's to flaunt and say "We did because we can."
LIke I say... why not let them.
When you're talking about special treatment... we still have the problem of classifying aborginal ppl as indians and give them special privideges (ie: free post sec. education, large sum of money when they turn 18), now that pisses me off. In this day and age (not what our distant relatives did to screw them out of their land, etc) it is not fair for us to have to continually pay for this, and don't even say we oppress them... they can get out and get jobs like the rest of us and move off the reserve.... but no, we still give them special treatment? WHy do we continue to do this....
Point with that is: certain groups still do and are still asking for special treatment outside of gaycouples. I think it's just polite to extend the same curtousy we receive for marriage to them as the ones in love could want to marry and are feeling exhiled and oppressed by not being allowed to, for whatever reason. Like Terry said, if you're gay be proud but you don't have to flaunt it and if marriage is just that something to flaunt, it shouldn't happen... but it shouldn't happen gay or straight if it's to flaunt! (IE: trophy wifes, some old rich dude w/ a playboy model.... ya right to love there.... say hi to die and get $$$$$$$$$$).... |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Aug 10 2003, 08:41 PM
PPL: :slap: Still close minded... I doubt the majority of ppl against homosexuals getting married would actually approve of them being gay to start with but won't say so on here....
Ill say it I do not approve of people being gay in the first place. |
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| TheNeonEdge |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Aug 11 2003, 11:05 AM
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1) Anyone who wants to be treated equally in society should NOT be given special benefits by society NOR should be given unfair & unjust treatment by society.
2) You're homosexual, do not be ashamed. But DO NOT walk around waving the homo flag or have rainbow stickers on the back of your car!!! Have some humility.
I agree with this.
However, I still don't see a point to deneying gay couples the right to marry. LIke I said before if they want to marry b/c it's for love then great, but not if it's to flaunt and say "We did because we can."
LIke I say... why not let them.
When you're talking about special treatment... we still have the problem of classifying aborginal ppl as indians and give them special privideges (ie: free post sec. education, large sum of money when they turn 18), now that pisses me off. In this day and age (not what our distant relatives did to screw them out of their land, etc) it is not fair for us to have to continually pay for this, and don't even say we oppress them... they can get out and get jobs like the rest of us and move off the reserve.... but no, we still give them special treatment? WHy do we continue to do this....
Point with that is: certain groups still do and are still asking for special treatment outside of gaycouples. I think it's just polite to extend the same curtousy we receive for marriage to them as the ones in love could want to marry and are feeling exhiled and oppressed by not being allowed to, for whatever reason. Like Terry said, if you're gay be proud but you don't have to flaunt it and if marriage is just that something to flaunt, it shouldn't happen... but it shouldn't happen gay or straight if it's to flaunt! (IE: trophy wifes, some old rich dude w/ a playboy model.... ya right to love there.... say hi to die and get $$$$$$$$$$)....
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GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! This topic is starting to piss me off just the fact that the people that are "for" gay marriages {not nescesarilly all you chris} dont understand that we are not trying to condone gay people from being together. JUST FROM GETTING MARRIED.
The point of this is, is that No they shouldn't be allowed because it can cause other problems in the future because yes in theory it should work fine IF boundaries are set....umm look who's taking care of this issue. OUR GOVERNMENT! So basically the boundaries wil lbe whatever the minority descides, because that seems to be how our country works.
I am not for gay marriage and i do not approve of them "being gay" in the first place EITHER. I still know a few gay people and talk to them and everything normally, i just have very little respect for their lifestyle.
Im out.
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| black5speed |
| no one has answered my question about to heterosexuals getting married where the man lost his penis so they could not comsomate the marriage ... are they still allowed to get married? .. just wondering ..... but I"m still staying out of this .. although I still don't know why ppl are afraid of change ..... women got more rights.. blacks got more rights ... you could say they flaunt it with their million man march and black heritage week (or month) ... in neither case have things got out of hand ... women are still getting paid less than a man for the same work and in some cases black ppl (and other races) are still oppressed in north america ... just wanted to point that out.... when it comes down to it.. only time will tell how well this works out. |
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| 1mns13 |
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Originally posted by Pro Drag@Aug 10 2003, 02:57 PM
I think Darwin should be allowed to step in. Let's let Evolution take it's course.Let homo's get married, but not adopt.
They can pitch and catch all they like until they die and could by nature never procreate.
If being homosexual truly is a genetic difference that you are BORN with, let's see how they fair, based on the merit's of their own "culture".
How long can a "culture" last when it is fundamentally flawed by not being able to sustain itself?
In our idealistic society we live in these days, alot of people "don't see the harm" in making concessions on issues they don't really care about. That is one of our problems. History has shown (and hopefully taught) us that if you give "somebody" an inch, "somebody" will take a mile. The line needs to be drawn somewhere.
Amen, brother! |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by TheNeonEdge@Aug 11 2003, 05:19 PM
I am not for gay marriage and i do not approve of them "being gay" in the first place EITHER. I still know a few gay people and talk to them and everything normally, i just have very little respect for their lifestyle.
Im out.
--ThE EdGe
How can you have any respect for them, especially when you don't condone their lifestyle?! They are their lifestyle and you dis these gay ppl when you say you disapprove of them being gay in the first place. I really hope you don't call them a friend or at least hope you've told them what you think about them being gay, and if they choose to continue to be a friend/associate of yours.... :thumbsdown: to them.
As far as saying "it's not about condeming gay marriages, it's the aftermath and chaos it will cause if we let it happen..."
Well somebody decided they'd let straight couples get properlly hitched (I don't even see how marriage says much more than "I get 50% of your ass when we divorce" but that's another story, guess I'm not religious enough to grasp it) so anyways, when it was decided that ppl should marry don't you think that caused caos.... especially in places where polygamy is more common than monogamy and all of sudden someone in that particular place decides they only want one wife? Or what about places where arranged marriages are common but now someone decides they want to stray from the norms and pick a suitor? Don't you think that would cause caos to... Shit's bound to f@ck up society, listen to Eminem (hmmmm... maybe that's the problem there)...
So the question being where do you draw the line, what do you make custom, what do you make the norms in our society? No one will ever come up with a right answer to this. We can only try and compromise as a society to try and get what works to work for us, in OUR society. I still just seem to see some corelation between homophobia and religion, maybe it's just me and something best left for another touchy thread!
So since gay ppl are protesting for gay marriages, why don't all you homophobs, good ol redneck straight ppl, the ones that aren't open to suggestion and altered lifestyles different from their own or from what religion, friends, family, text books say is normal go protest against it.... Why not stand across the street from them with big signs saying "NO TO GAY MARRIAGE" and protest your views to... Seems like it's not that important if the gov't puts it through so gays can be married or else you'd all be out there doing something like that???? |
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| Miss Nikki Sixx |
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Originally posted by black5speed@Aug 11 2003, 06:29 PM
no one has answered my question about to heterosexuals getting married where the man lost his penis so they could not comsomate the marriage ... are they still allowed to get married?
I think the answer is YES, marriage is not only sexual intercourse, so why should that matter? |
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| Miss Nikki Sixx |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Aug 11 2003, 11:59 PM
Well somebody decided they'd let straight couples get properlly hitched (I don't even see how marriage says much more than "I get 50% of your ass when we divorce" but that's another story, guess I'm not religious enough to grasp it) so anyways, when it was decided that ppl should marry don't you think that caused caos.... especially in places where polygamy is more common than monogamy and all of sudden someone in that particular place decides they only want one wife? Or what about places where arranged marriages are common but now someone decides they want to stray from the norms and pick a suitor? Don't you think that would cause caos to...
Honestly, this thread is so annoying, I just thought I'd point out that the history of marriage and its origin is far more complex than "Somebody decided to let straight people marry"
That IS the problem, where does the SACRAMENT (hint hint, religion) of Marriage originate and what's the meaning of it, so it can not be trivialized in the context of this discussion.
(I'm so good at finding fault with everything :P) |
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| Miss Nikki Sixx |
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And as someone else mentioned.. homosexuals will not be able to reproduce so there's no worry to "abnormal" offspring which might affect the future of humans.
here is my original reply to that, see... boundaries must be set
What happens when the homosexuals aren't happy with just expressing themselves through marriage and wish to partake in the creation of their own biologically similar offspring, that is, not adoption, but create thier children with their genetic material??
and in that case, you will get even MORE abnormal offspring than through normal procreation, even through artificial means of procreation between a man and woman |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by Miss Nikki Sixx@Aug 12 2003, 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by black5speed@Aug 11 2003, 06:29 PM
no one has answered my question about to heterosexuals getting married where the man lost his penis so they could not comsomate the marriage ... are they still allowed to get married?
I think the answer is YES, marriage is not only sexual intercourse, so why should that matter?
IF that's the case when gay couples marry they don
t have to consumate their marriage like a hetero couple...
And Miss Nikki Six: I think we all know it's more complex than "somebody jsut decided it should happen."
I just don't think that anyone truely knows why, how, when, and what was different before! Almost everyone on this board has been brought up in a typical western society or now lives in a typical western society... and when something happens that aren't part of the norms expressed in our society it's always looked at funny....
I wonder, would ppl have a problem with polygamous relationships/marriages here in Canada??? |
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| Miss Nikki Sixx |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Aug 12 2003, 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Miss Nikki Sixx@Aug 12 2003, 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by black5speed@Aug 11 2003, 06:29 PM
no one has answered my question about to heterosexuals getting married where the man lost his penis so they could not comsomate the marriage ... are they still allowed to get married?
I think the answer is YES, marriage is not only sexual intercourse, so why should that matter?
IF that's the case when gay couples marry they don
t have to consumate their marriage like a hetero couple...
Wrong again,
Sex is not the end-all of Marriage, the two are NOT synonomous
Marriage is all about commitment, till death do us part and all. And fidelity. Couples enter into marriage with the solemn intention of being faithful, despite what may occur down the road. A good marriage is one of those things we all grow up hoping to attain and which, once we're married, we hope to preserve. |
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| Miss Nikki Sixx |
There is a large body of evidence which shows that gay relationships are not the equal of what heterosexual marriage
What I want to point out to you is that the entire notion of gay marriage is being presented to Canadians using the facade that gays have unions similar to heterosexual marriage. That is very simply just not true. Gays themselves admit, that fidelity is not an issue with them.
For whatever reasons, and it can be backed up by research and anecdotal evidence, few gays form unions that are exclusive to their partner. In fact, the sheer prodigiousness of the gay lifestyle and the number of partners gay men have beggars the straight male's imagination.
So this begs the question, do you even know what gays want??
You are supporting people who want to exploit their different lifestyle, that in itself is wrong. |
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| Miss Nikki Sixx |
hahaha
REFUTE that! |
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| Insomniac |
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Originally posted by Miss Nikki Sixx@Aug 12 2003, 12:07 PM
hahaha
REFUTE that!
Gay men cheat on their spouses.
Straight men cheat on their spouses.
NO BIGGIE!
LEAVE THE ROMO'S ALONE. ALBERTA'S FULL OF REDNECKS STUCK IN THE PAST WITH THEIR SHELTERED VIEWS. I'M NOT GAY BUT DAMMIT I FEEL LIKE STARTING A CHARITY FOR THOSE GUYS BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE HATERS. GAY HATERS: PUT DOWN THE ALBERTA REPORT AND GO PLAY WITH YOUR NEIGHBOORHOOD GAY :wavey: I'M NOT TELLING YOU TO TAKE ONE UP THE POOP SHOOT, JUST GO MEET ONE AND REALIZE THEY CAN BE GOOD PEOPLE (end caps)
Ha ha ha. |
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| redbaron303 |
Miss nikki six, guess I'd know what gays want if I was gay. So I guess I don't really know what they want, and I doubt you do either. Now as someone who's straight, hell I don't even know what I want... I can't imagine getting married, it just seems too soon in my life to think about my future like that. I'm just saying that not every straight person knows what they want either... not every straight person is 100% faithful to their spouses/gf's/bf's/lovers...
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Marriage is all about commitment, till death do us part and all. And fidelity. Couples enter into marriage with the solemn intention of being faithful, despite what may occur down the road. A good marriage is one of those things we all grow up hoping to attain and which, once we're married, we hope to preserve.
I honestly think that a gay couple can achieve this just as well as a straight couple! |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
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Originally posted by Insomniac@Aug 12 2003, 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by Miss Nikki Sixx@Aug 12 2003, 12:07 PM
hahaha
REFUTE that!
Gay men cheat on their spouses.
Straight men cheat on their spouses.
NO BIGGIE!
LEAVE THE ROMO'S ALONE. ALBERTA'S FULL OF REDNECKS STUCK IN THE PAST WITH THEIR SHELTERED VIEWS. I'M NOT GAY BUT DAMMIT I FEEL LIKE STARTING A CHARITY FOR THOSE GUYS BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE HATERS. GAY HATERS: PUT DOWN THE ALBERTA REPORT AND GO PLAY WITH YOUR NEIGHBOORHOOD GAY :wavey: I'M NOT TELLING YOU TO TAKE ONE UP THE POOP SHOOT, JUST GO MEET ONE AND REALIZE THEY CAN BE GOOD PEOPLE (end caps)
Ha ha ha.
:werd:
and as to the "flaunting their homosexuality in public" when the hell have you seen two gays f@cking like monkies in the park? Raise your hand... ok, how bout a guy and a girl.. come on.. I've seen it, seein neckin and all that, so how is it that they flaunt their sexuality any more then say a heterosexual? Just because they're pro homosexual doesn't mean their anti-heterosexual :thumbsdown: |
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| black5speed |
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Originally posted by Miss Nikki Sixx@Aug 12 2003, 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Aug 11 2003, 11:59 PM
Well somebody decided they'd let straight couples get properlly hitched (I don't even see how marriage says much more than "I get 50% of your ass when we divorce" but that's another story, guess I'm not religious enough to grasp it) so anyways, when it was decided that ppl should marry don't you think that caused caos.... especially in places where polygamy is more common than monogamy and all of sudden someone in that particular place decides they only want one wife? Or what about places where arranged marriages are common but now someone decides they want to stray from the norms and pick a suitor? Don't you think that would cause caos to...
Honestly, this thread is so annoying, I just thought I'd point out that the history of marriage and its origin is far more complex than "Somebody decided to let straight people marry"
That IS the problem, where does the SACRAMENT (hint hint, religion) of Marriage originate and what's the meaning of it, so it can not be trivialized in the context of this discussion.
(I'm so good at finding fault with everything :P)
just remember that the greeks got married way before christianity became practisable and it was under different gods ... gods that we now think are just big jokes ... some of the smartest men of human history beleived in these gods ... now those gods have been "disproven" ... and replaced with the new gods ... who knows.... 2500 years from now ppl might think christianity was a joke..
oh and all those ppl that are using the dictionary definition of marriage as a point .... it's pretty weak point because the meaning of words in the dictionary have changed so much over time that it's invalid to use a source that changes with the social times..... D'oh ... is officialy recognized as a word in some new dictionaries ..... just something to think about. |
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Originally posted by 1mns13@Jul 25 2003, 04:35 PM
For your answer. consult your Holy Bible. no joke, the answer is there.
Oh lordy, so now you're saying it's just like Ragu Spagetti Sauce, "It's in there!"
The bible was a cutting edge document like approx. 2000 years ago. After that it's not quite up to speed. Maybe we need a new edition like Windows each decade. How about a BIBLE 3.0 XP? j/k :D |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
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Originally posted by colossus@Aug 13 2003, 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by 1mns13@Jul 25 2003, 04:35 PM
For your answer. consult your Holy Bible. no joke, the answer is there.
Oh lordy, so now you're saying it's just like Ragu Spagetti Sauce, "It's in there!"
The bible was a cutting edge document like approx. 2000 years ago. After that it's not quite up to speed. Maybe we need a new edition like Windows each decade. How about a BIBLE 3.0 XP? j/k :D
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Originally posted by Miss Nikki Sixx@Aug 12 2003, 11:40 AM
Honestly, this thread is so annoying, I just thought I'd point out that the history of marriage and its origin is far more complex than "Somebody decided to let straight people marry"
That IS the problem, where does the SACRAMENT (hint hint, religion) of Marriage originate and what's the meaning of it, so it can not be trivialized in the context of this discussion.
(I'm so good at finding fault with everything :P)
You do realize that Greek people were married right? That men also had male lovers and this was not only common place but also accepted.
You seem to have a belief that Jesus or God some how made marriage appear instantly some 3000 years ago. When evidence of lifetime pair bonds goes back tens of thousands of years, long before any Bible or (hint hint religion) as you understand it existed.
I don't want to personally attack you, but you don't seem to have a bloody clue about the complex origins of marriage and their numerous incarnations through out history and numerous cultures despite your snotty tone.
What this thread is lacking is a coherent arguement against gay marriage that is based on some sort reasoning besides hatred and intolerence.
The general sentiment seems to be that allowing gay people to marry will somehow take away from heterosexual marriages, (which is hard to do with vegas drive through wedding chappels, and "married by America" T.V. shows)
That it will condone thier lifestyle...(sorry too late, thanks to descrimination laws "their" lifestyle is already condoned and accepted an it is illegal to discriminate against them based on their sexual choice, or race (damn those darkies) or religion (no shooting those penny pinching Jews either).
If I came on here and started a thread about how asian people are bad drivers, cheap, can't speak engrish worth a sh*t and all carry handguns, the thread would be locked after 4 pages of people attacking me for being close minded. Can anyone tell me how gays are different? You think they some how choose to be gay? you obviously never seen the beatings some teenagers received for being gay over and over.
Take a look in the mirror. No matter what you see, at one point in history some one exactly like you was beaten and killed because of something they couldn't control. Whether it's your Christian parents, slanted eyes, yellow skin, or vagina. |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by Almost@Aug 13 2003, 09:38 PM
What this thread is lacking is a coherent arguement against gay marriage that is based on some sort reasoning besides hatred and intolerence.
True enough....
"bible version 6.0xp..." |
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| Miss Nikki Sixx |
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You seem to have a belief that Jesus or God some how made marriage appear instantly some 3000 years ago.
wow, now you're telling me what I believe/think... nice
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I don't want to personally attack you, but you don't seem to have a bloody clue about the complex origins of marriage
wow, please learn to read english, or atleast learn to interpret the string of words put together. What I wrote was... "That IS the problem, where does the SACRAMENT (hint hint, religion) of Marriage originate and what's the meaning of it, so it can not be trivialized in the context of this discussion"
Nowhere in that sentence do I give:
1. A common definition for marriage
2. My interpretation of the definition of marriage
3. My thoughts on the origin of marriage
4. Saying I DO know (but haven't written) the origins of marriage
What I did say was:
1. It's the root of the problem in the context of religion, as it is the Roman Catholic Churches view that pretty much are in conflict for allowing homo-marriages.
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What this thread is lacking is a coherent arguement against gay marriage that is based on some sort reasoning besides hatred and intolerence
Agreed, but likewise, there has been no reasonable argument to justify gay marriage aside from: Let's have opne minds, and they are people too. |
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| Pro Drag |
Allow me to stir the pot again :D :
The Roman Catholic Church is against homosex marriages but has turned a blind eye or swept under the rug the occasional pedophilic homosexual tendencies of it's own clergy for how long? |
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| Almost |
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Originally posted by Pro Drag@Aug 14 2003, 02:20 PM
Allow me to stir the pot again :D :
The Roman Catholic Church is against homosex marriages but has turned a blind eye or swept under the rug the occasional pedophilic homosexual tendencies of it's own clergy for how long?
it's okay, as long as you confess, and repent your sins. |
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| colossus |
| Anyone hear the old joke about what the priest gave as penance? :rolleyes: |
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| redbaron303 |
| There's a kick in the pants... "againsts gays is the church" but yet their own are after lil boys... (not all, just some...) |
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| Bucktown |
this is a crazy thread, knew it was gonna be right from the start. some interesting points tho.
"u muts been doing a shit dance, ricky, cause now u got a shit storm..."
"enough with the shit talk lahey. and f@ck u randy, go put a fukin shirt on..." |
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| Cynix |
| the romans and greeks had gays in there society for centuries but it wasnt openly gay and they werent bitchin about getting married to another guy were they? NO they were all good now why all of a sudden do they feel the need to get married ? and they need a stupid peice of paper saying there OFFICIAL make up a fake one and lie to your friends use your imagination. oh im sure itll be great for the Tuxedo business 2 grooms hmm i can already forsee Economic Growth with such a plan INVEST in Dirks FORMAL WEAR NOW!!!! |
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| lovemytrx |
Catholic church got it all messed up, when they wouldn't allow priests to marry.
They took that whole singular focus on God and warped it. |
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| REFLUX |
| this topic is becoming -_- |
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| 2003specv |
| Thanks for the input flux! :bigthumbup: You're a great mod! :bigthumbup: :bigthumbup: |
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| REFLUX |
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Originally posted by 2003specv@Aug 19 2003, 05:14 PM
Thanks for the input flux! :bigthumbup: You're a great mod! :bigthumbup: :bigthumbup:
you are VERY welcome, I suck great dick too...wanna give me a try?!?! |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by REFLUX@Aug 19 2003, 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by 2003specv@Aug 19 2003, 05:14 PM
Thanks for the input flux! :bigthumbup: You're a great mod! :bigthumbup: :bigthumbup:
you are VERY welcome, I suck great dick too...wanna give me a try?!?!
lol
Say no to homos :thefinger: |
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| SHIFT_AT_9000_RPMS |
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Originally posted by REFLUX@Aug 19 2003, 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by 2003specv@Aug 19 2003, 05:14 PM
Thanks for the input flux! :bigthumbup: You're a great mod! :bigthumbup: :bigthumbup:
you are VERY welcome, I suck great dick too...wanna give me a try?!?!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :blink: :lol: :lol: :lol: |
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| REFLUX |
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Originally posted by stealth@Aug 19 2003, 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by REFLUX@Aug 19 2003, 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by 2003specv@Aug 19 2003, 05:14 PM
Thanks for the input flux! :bigthumbup:_ You're a great mod! :bigthumbup:_ :bigthumbup:
you are VERY welcome, I suck great dick too...wanna give me a try?!?!
lol
Say no to homos :thefinger:
ahhahah
yeah I know, I'm a hypocrite :D
Anyways, back onto topic (if that is possible)...
there really is no stopping homosexuals from getting married. Whether it is official or unofficial, homosexuals can still live like married couples even WITHOUT the law, they just have to be more planned out.
For example, someone much earlier in this thread mentioned that marriage would help in the sense that incase of death...there would be inheritance & etc. If homosexuals want to do this, all they have to do is put down BOTH their names in everything they own & buy.
House, car, bank account, etc. |
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| SRBURG13 |
Alright, I haven't even read any of the replies, just the topic title.
I say HELL FUCKIN NO!!!
God made two genders for a reason. In the wild world of animals, do they have gay ones? No, if so, they would have been killed by the others. No? I sure as hell think so. Equal rights my ass. :thefinger: |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by SRBURG13
Alright, I haven't even read any of the replies, just the topic title.
I say HELL FUCKIN NO!!!
God made two genders for a reason. In the wild world of animals, do they have gay ones? No, if so, they would have been killed by the others. No? I sure as hell think so. Equal rights my ass. :thefinger:
:bigthumbup: :bigthumbup:
If i was an animal and found a gay one i honestly would kill it. |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by REFLUX
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Originally posted by stealth
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Originally posted by REFLUX
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 2003specv
[B] Thanks for the input flux! :bigthumbup:_ You're a great mod! :bigthumbup:_ :bigthumbup:
you are VERY welcome, I suck great dick too...wanna give me a try?!?!
lol
Say no to homos :thefinger:
ahhahah
yeah I know, I'm a hypocrite :D
Anyways, back onto topic (if that is possible)...
there really is no stopping homosexuals from getting married. Whether it is official or unofficial, homosexuals can still live like married couples even WITHOUT the law, they just have to be more planned out.
For example, someone much earlier in this thread mentioned that marriage would help in the sense that incase of death...there would be inheritance & etc. If homosexuals want to do this, all they have to do is put down BOTH their names in everything they own & buy.
House, car, bank account, etc. [/b][/quote]
or just write a will. for when they get gay bahsed :rolleyes: |
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| Insomniac |
You guys rule.
"If I were a polar bear, and a gay polar bear hit on me, I'd swat his ass with my big polar bear claw and then push him in the frozen ocean!" :bigthumbup: |
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| SHIFT_AT_9000_RPMS |
| LOL!! I've seen 2 male dogs doing the nasty!! They must have done some hard time in the kennel though......don't pick up the soap!! :gay: :bigthumbup: |
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| Pro Drag |
| I just saw on the news last night that two gay males from Hawaii got married in Vancouver by a minister from Texas. The precident has been set... :unsure: |
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| silverTEG |
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Originally posted by stealth
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Originally posted by lude_boy93
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Originally posted by silverTEG
they can marry all they want, when we fly all the homo's out to there own little island.
say NO to gay marriage :thumbsdown:
Hell NO!!! :gay: :thumbsdown:
True dat. Is it only me and lude_boy93 who are against gay marriages?
did you not read my post? I say "NO". was it that hard to figure out? :wacko: |
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| scooby_dooby |
| f@ck it's inevitable so who fuckin cares? it's gonna happen, whether it's now or 20 years from now does it matter? the world's different now, accept it |
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| colossus |
| Is there something you want to tell us? :blink: |
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| gunmetalalloys |
at first i'm thinking, "the more gays there are, the more girls are left for me! even the hot ones! they'd have no choice! :D :D"
then i thought, "wait a minute, there are also lesbians. but at least i like watching two girls make out! :bigthumbup: "
then i thought, "wait a minute, the more gay guys there are, the greater the chance of getting my ass raped :blink: :wacko: :crying: "
all kidding aside, i'm with a few of the posters here who say so long as the gay guys don't run around making out and making me puke, i don't care. i seen gay guys make out in calgary and one of the scungee waiters in pongo was so in-your-face gay i was super uncomfortable. and, i think only hot looking lesbians should be allowed in gay pride parades :fingersx:
i wonder what makes people gay. i can't even understand why girls like guys at all, we're so damn ugly compared to girls. i'm surprised they all don't just do each other and let the male portion of the population die off. i always thought it was somehow a social behaviour, but now i think it's genetic. my biology studying friend told me gay monkeys have been found before, and someone here said something about two male dogs. so, it's nothing we can change.
also, they should totally be allowed to take in foster kids cuz we have enough fucked up orphaned kids that they could use all the help they can get. if they don't get parents, they will end up trying to steal the stereo in your car and sell it for some weed.
oh well, the bill never made it through... |
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| silverTEG |
| lesbians are cool, well hot ones any way |
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| REFLUX |
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Originally posted by silverTEG
lesbians are cool, well hot ones any way
I have NEVER seen a hot looking lesbian couple in public before
they all have short hair, dress like men, act like men and are old & ugly |
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| scooby_dooby |
| i think it's fuct for a gay couple to be rasing kids though, that's bullshit, so I really am against gay marriage, but you gotta realize it's happening, will happen, and in not to long it'll be the norm. shitty |
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