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| ChromeDragon |
I'm a little perplexed that the US government won't allow this to happen, what exactly is holding them up? Do they honestly believe that two people of the same sex should not be able to spend their lives together? Maybe it's just that Americans feel that marriage is a special life time bond formed only between a man and a woman......chosen by a studio audience.
What do you guys think?
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by ChromeDragon@Jul 24 2003, 09:59 PM
Americans feel that marriage is a special life time bond formed only between a man and a woman......chosen by a studio audience.
That's what I think!!! Americans.... :wacko:
But really, how would it affect any one else other than the two ppl getting hitched and their families!
I don't think there is a good answer to this question b/c there are too many negative views on it! However, it's not affecting me so why not?! |
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| PunkA$$ |
personally, whomever chris wants marry is really none of my business.
but really, the states seem alot more conservative(pronounced ignorant) than they think they are. i think it could be more of a political issue. i don't think politicians are willing to risk political suicide in being pro-same sex marriages. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| I think it should be allowed but I'm still iffy on the adoption aspect with same sex couples. |
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| REFLUX |
I couldn't care less who marries who or what
just as long as they don't f0cking flaunt it
....seriously....it seems like so many homosexuals are homosexuals JUST to rub it in other people's faces
I mean.....gay pride is nice, it's good to be proud of who/what you are.....but when you start walking around yelling "happy gay pride week!!!".....that's just stupid
You never see Neo-Nazi's walking around flaunting their Nazi pride & shit, but there are people who support and do not support Nazi's just like how there are people who are for & against homosexuals |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| what iffff.. you're a homosexual transvestite nazi married to your cousin who is really your long lost twin sister? |
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| POX |
| meh let marry, aslong as it makes you happy and doesnt affect others then do it |
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| Miss Nikki Sixx |
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Originally posted by REFLUX@Jul 25 2003, 09:39 AM
....seriously....it seems like so many homosexuals are homosexuals JUST to rub it in other people's faces
haha, I totally agree with that!!
I think that once the ...uhh.... gay flood gates open, it'll lead to a whole slew of problamatic issues.
What happens when the homosexuals aren't happy with just expressing themselves through marriage and wish to partake in the creation of their own biologically similar offspring, that is, not adoption, but create thier children with their genetic material??
If you don't think it's possible? Well, seriously, you don't know sh*t and I'll gladly be able to clue you in on how it is possible to do with great advances in genetic science.
Seriously, that would be too messed up, and it is a forseeable issue. So, let's prevent any of it now. How? No Gay Marriages!! |
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| Miss Nikki Sixx |
So if you gays are gonna reply by saying "marriage allows us to express our long lasting love" blah blah....
I say: Go make your own unique tradition recognizable in the gay community. |
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| SHIFT_AT_9000_RPMS |
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Originally posted by Miss Nikki Sixx@Jul 25 2003, 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by REFLUX@Jul 25 2003, 09:39 AM
....seriously....it seems like so many homosexuals are homosexuals JUST to rub it in other people's faces
haha, I totally agree with that!!
I think that once the ...uhh.... gay flood gates open, it'll lead to a whole slew of problamatic issues.
What happens when the homosexuals aren't happy with just expressing themselves through marriage and wish to partake in the creation of their own biologically similar offspring, that is, not adoption, but create thier children with their genetic material??
If you don't think it's possible? Well, seriously, you don't know sh*t and I'll gladly be able to clue you in on how it is possible to do with great advances in genetic science.
Seriously, that would be too messed up, and it is a forseeable issue. So, let's prevent any of it now. How? No Gay Marriages!!
:stupid: . I guess I come from the old school of thinking. |
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| POX |
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Originally posted by Miss Nikki Sixx@Jul 25 2003, 12:52 PM
I think that once the ...uhh.... gay flood gates open, it'll lead to a whole slew of problamatic issues.
see heres the thing.. we live wiht this idea of a free and open society... and every day and every generation more and more people are jumping on the bandwagon , so no matter how much you hate it , it will happen, so you bettter start opening your mind to new ideas or you will be left in the past |
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| SHIFT_AT_9000_RPMS |
| Why is it so difficult to hang on to beliefs and customs that have stood the test of time? Marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman. Why must we alter something that was created centuries ago? I realise society has to progress, but somethings should be left alone. It's only a matter of time before this is legal, but it doesn't mean we ( me ) have to accept it. Just how I feel. |
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| ChromeDragon |
| Wow, you guys all took this kinda seriously, I just wanted to make a joke...... |
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| 1mns13 |
| For your answer. consult your Holy Bible. no joke, the answer is there. |
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| Spike7ss |
| iF THEre going to allow gas to marry then they better dam well get rid of the GST and the GUN registry and all the other crap, once they do that then the gays can marry, but since that aint going to happen, gay marrages should not happen either :gay: :thumbsdown: :wtf: |
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| TheNeonEdge |
The problem is because they want to marry in a catholic church, where it is strickly forbidden. Which comes back to the point of rubbing it in other peoples faces just because they can.
They can do whatever they want in their own little world, but when it comes down to it, even in divorce court you must "consumate" your marriage to make it legal {aka have sex} last time i checked....2 penis's dont fit together. So unless they can consumate and its a woman in a mans disguise{no shitholes dont count} then NO.
I also feel that if htey can get married they should not be able to adopt their own kids. I mean....would u want 2 dads kissing all the time and for show and tell in kindergarden you bring in both y our dads for moms day because they exchange days being the bitch....no
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| POX |
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Originally posted by TheNeonEdge@Jul 25 2003, 09:41 PM
The problem is because they want to marry in a catholic church, where it is strickly forbidden. Which comes back to the point of rubbing it in other peoples faces just because they can.
if gay marragies are alowed, part of it willl be that religous groups are alowed not to marry gay coupes if it goes agienst there belife so you dont have to worrie about that |
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| TheNeonEdge |
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Originally posted by POX@Jul 25 2003, 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by TheNeonEdge@Jul 25 2003, 09:41 PM
The problem is because they want to marry in a catholic church, where it is strickly forbidden. Which comes back to the point of rubbing it in other peoples faces just because they can.
if gay marragies are alowed, part of it willl be that religous groups are alowed not to marry gay coupes if it goes agienst there belife so you dont have to worrie about that
It's about the marriages being in the church not about the catholic people.
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| POX |
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Originally posted by TheNeonEdge@Jul 25 2003, 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by POX@Jul 25 2003, 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by TheNeonEdge@Jul 25 2003, 09:41 PM
The problem is because they want to marry in a catholic church, where it is strickly forbidden. Which comes back to the point of rubbing it in other peoples faces just because they can.
if gay marragies are alowed, part of it willl be that religous groups are alowed not to marry gay coupes if it goes agienst there belife so you dont have to worrie about that
It's about the marriages being in the church not about the catholic people.
--ThE EdGe
um.. i dont realy understand what your trying to say... but if your trying to say that gays trying to force churces to proform gay marragie cerimones then your worng they cant do that, there not alowred to forece places to preform marrages.
All this is, is that gay marrages will be recoginzed by the goverment and under the law that is it. |
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| GTS Jeff |
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Originally posted by Spike7ss@Jul 25 2003, 04:43 PM
iF THEre going to allow gas to marry then they better dam well get rid of the GST and the GUN registry and all the other crap, once they do that then the gays can marry, but since that aint going to happen, gay marrages should not happen either :gay: :thumbsdown: :wtf:
lol ure an idiot man, what the f@ck does gay-man-cock sucking have to do with gst and gun laws? zilch. |
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| stealth |
Im Muslim and am very religious and do not belive in gay marriages.
I never liked the beliefs of gay people and I never will.
Im not saying that i do not like the people, the people may be fine, but i hate gays, well their belifes.
So hell!!!! :thumbsdown: to gay marriages. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| it's "illegal" in islam's eyes isn't it? I heard about that huge gay part in Egypt and all those ppl got thrown in jail.. and if you're caught doing lewd acts.. the punishment is worse |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by SlowAzzPorsche911T@Jul 29 2003, 07:27 AM
it's "illegal" in islam's eyes isn't it? I heard about that huge gay part in Egypt and all those ppl got thrown in jail.. and if you're caught doing lewd acts.. the punishment is worse
Yes it is. |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by PunkA$$@Jul 25 2003, 08:12 AM
personally, whomever chris wants marry is really none of my business.
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| SHIFT_AT_9000_RPMS |
| Damn, Chris ( Redbaron???? ) takes alot of shit from you boyz. Not to mention those mom jokes. Good to see you got such a good sense of humour dude!! :bigthumbup: |
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| lovemytrx |
| Marriage is an institution of the church not state. Keep the politics out of it and then its pretty clear as to whether same sex relationships should be recognized as marriages. Any doubt, the answer is no. For clarification see the bible. |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by lude_boy93@Jul 29 2003, 04:19 PM
Damn, Chris ( Redbaron???? ) takes alot of shit from you boyz. Not to mention those mom jokes. Good to see you got such a good sense of humour dude!! :bigthumbup:
It's all good... Humour's where it's at! They haven't crossed any boundary's yet, so I'm not gonna get all pissy with them... (I just think our man-whore Al -aks punkASS is jealous that isn't as popular as some... and have you seen that hat and lil yellow bucket blaine carries/wears at the shop) |
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| redbaron303 |
Back to the topic at hand.
You know it's fine that all you ultra-religious ppl think that life should be lived by a book. There are some of us that don't!!!! That means some of us don't have a problem with the fact them same sex couples want to get together more permanently. Hasn't religion caused enough problems in the world today/past that the ideology has to try and f@ck with people in a modern day life because they decided they weren't going to follow traditional lifestyles that were deamed "good" by the church and it's books?
Gay people are people non the less... it doesn't matter whether they're a "back door" lifestyle or not! If you don't want to associate with them just because they're gay, then you're all f@cking retarded!!! I can understand not being gay and not wanting to associate with a person of the same sex that is hitting on you, or telling you they want to sleep with you, etc, but that is different than hating on them for their lifestyle!
I must agree that if homosexuals are wanting marriage rights so they can flaunt it, then that isn't right! Marriage is not about flaunting, unless you're marrying a trophy wife or your a gold digging bitch out for a rich husband!!!
Does a man marrying a man or a woman marrying a woman cause ppl that much harm that it shouldn't happen? Same sex marriages don't affect most of us by any great means, it's not like they're infringing on our rights but rather gaining the right to become like us and share a life properlly hitched with their "lover/partner/etc."
I personally would say, to hell with it and let it happen b/c it's not directly affecting me or changing anything for me or degrading my quality of life!
When it comes to these same sex couples addopting children, I don't think that's right... In some strange way if it was meant to be that they had kids, they could produce their offspring naturally.... |
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| Miss Nikki Sixx |
That was singlehandedly the most ignorant thing I think I have read in a very long time. There is so much crap in that post I wouldn't even know where to begin.
Do not bash religion and say it is the cause of problems. Do you even KNOW what religion is, or where is stems from?
Religion is: teachings of men who wanted to lead people to better spirituality and learn moral good to advance their respective societies.
Now the problem comes with INTERPRETATION, and that comes in the role of humanity. Religions are not the causes of problems, rather those who incorrectly interpret these moral teachings. For example....umm. YOU. People have taken religion OUT of CONTEXT, and adapted it to their pathetic lives.
What I am saying, incase you didnt understand it, cause I love to re-iterate and want to make sure you read it more than one way to avoid confusion is that religion is not the root of problems but MAN is the root of problems. |
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| Miss Nikki Sixx |
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You know it's fine that all you ultra-religious ppl think that life should be lived by a book. There are some of us that don't!!!!
I don't know why you would include all religious people under one sect, for example, Latter-Day Saints, who take the Bible literally. Many "ultra" religious people do not think life should be lived by a book. :rolleyes: Why you'd say that, I don't know.
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Gay people are people non the less
I don't think anyone was dehumanizing gays.
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I must agree that if homosexuals are wanting marriage rights so they can flaunt it, then that isn't right! Marriage is not about flaunting, unless you're marrying a trophy wife or your a gold digging bitch out for a rich husband!!!
:wtf: IMO, marriage IS the right to flaunt. I know I'd want to flaunt what I have, because in my eyes, my man IS a trophy. That's silly.
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Same sex marriages don't affect most of us by any great means
I don't think anyone who is rationale thinks allowing homosexual marriage "harms" us. IT's not about that, it's about having and upholding moral strong-holds. Boundaries must be drawn somewhere, or chaos happens, sooner or later.
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let it happen b/c it's not directly affecting me or changing anything for me
That's the kind of attitude that advances society, way to go!! :thumbsdown: |
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| POX |
| They dont want to marry to flant it they want it because the idea a marriage bring a finality to a relationship. Society tells people that the pincal of your commitment and love in a relationship is marriage. And why can stright couple achive it and gay couple not? |
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| ChromeDragon |
Dear god, this started out as a joke and now it's become a fight about religion.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again, fighting about religion is basically fighting about whose imaginary friend is better. There's no way to prove it, and it's all your opinion.
Chromey |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jul 30 2003, 12:58 PM
I personally would say, to hell with it and let it happen b/c it's not directly affecting me or changing anything for me or degrading my quality of life!
I think it does when little kids see other homosexuals kissing in public and such and ask "why are they doing that?" and follow in their footsteps. |
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| black5speed |
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Originally posted by stealth@Jul 30 2003, 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jul 30 2003, 12:58 PM
I personally would say, to hell with it and let it happen b/c it's not directly affecting me or changing anything for me or degrading my quality of life!
I think it does when little kids see other homosexuals kissing in public and such and ask "why are they doing that?" and follow in their footsteps.
OMG!!!! When I was little I saw movies with ppl killing each other and having sex .... but I didn't "follow in their footsteps" and the next day try to kill some kid with my safety scissors at school or try to have sex with some girl on the playground .... IMO I would think that children raised by a gay couple would be more open minded and allow their children to make their own choice on their sexuality like they did... but of course that comes down to the argument "if gays are born gay or become gay" ....... personaly I think some ppl are born gay while other ppl are confused about their sexuality.(I also think that there are other ppl that pretend to be gay to rebel) ... it also depends on how the parents raise their child .... they could teach them that being gay is good and straight is wrong (kinda like how religion teaches you beliefs that you don't question, but argue to the end anyway because you've never known anything different) I'm not religious at all, but I have no problem with religious ppl as long as they don't use the bible or their beliefs to hinder someone elses rights .... I wasn't brought up on religion... and I share many of the same important ideals that religious ppl do without having learned them from the bible ... I didn't have to be told that stealing waswrong because the bible says so ... I learned to know that it was wrong and I also feel that it's wrong . . I was never taught that two ppl, same sex or not, who were in love could not further their relationship by marrying one another, thus sharing all they have in life with each other forever ... personaly I think that if a church doesn't want to marry a gay couple then that is their right to refuse that ... if gay couples want to get married bad enough then they'll get married by justice of the peace (which isn't a religious ceremony, but it recognized by the government)
oh and saying that if we give gay ppl the right to get married then they'll start demanding more is the most ridicoulous thing I've ever heard........ when women got the right to vote did all hell break loose? how about when the blacks were freed or when they were allowed in public white schools? what does the bible say about inter-racial marriages? There is always this fear that if you give the minorities too much power then they will over through you ... what is there to be afraid of?
Miss Nikki Sixx seems like the kind of person who wouldn't let her child go over to her childs friends house if the other childs parents were gay because she would be afraid it would "rub off" on them.
Why don't we all just live solely on religious principals.... today christianity... tomorrow muslim.... the next maybe Jeudaism... then maybe some buddhism ..
Since our government isn't based on any religion I don't think the laws made under it should have any corolation with religion.. religion and state should be seperate
now I think I've ranted enough for one day.. although I"m sure I'll be back to respond to one of miss nikki sixx' schooling retorts.
(holy crap I didn't think I wrote this much........ oh well have fun reading...... :wacko: ) |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| lemme ask you this.. since i'm not religious in the least bit. where do i get married then? and why does a priest perform the ceremony if i don't believe in the religion? |
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| black5speed |
| are you asking me? well .. I'll answer your question anyway .... if your not religious you can get married anywhere you want... your house, the bathroom, crazy horse ... my ex-girlfriends mom got married in a really nice restaurant in calgary ...... and you don't need a priest to get married ..... marriage is no longer just a religious bonding...... they're are ppl appointed by the government with the power to marry ppl in a non-religious way ie.no priest, no church (and the ceremony is really short ... you go through the vows and the ring thing, then kiss the bride, sign the papers ... none of that please rise and singe this verse... please sit... please stand .. the ceremony take 15 mins tops ..as opposed to an hour or two) and they call it..... the justice of the peace. now you know ... so if gay ppl get married by them I don't see what the big deal is. |
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| 1mns13 |
| black5speed, are you sure our gov't is not based on any "religious" principles? Are you sure that your environment or anybody else's for that matter does not shape thier lives in any way? |
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| black5speed |
it can be argued that our everyday morals and principals are based on religion, because along time ago almost everybody beleived in one type of religion or another .... but what I meant was that in todays government they try to stay away from religion because we live in a society with lots of different religions and different beliefs (so they wouldn't be able to make everyone happy if they just chose one religions principals and applied them).... so they don't enforce theft or murder because the bible says it's wrong... they do it because that is a law that everyone agreed to when the became a citizen of canada .... and it is true that individual politicians make choices based on religious principals, which in truth is wrong because they're making decisions based on their beliefs instead of listening to the ppl (minority and majority) and coming to a conclusion based on what is best for the ppl and what the ppl want.
I do beleive that a persons environment can effect a person ... for example, I don't think ppl are born racist, so that means that they have to have the idea put into their heads ... but I also think that ppl are open minded enough to make decisions for themselves against the grain of society or their parents if they choose.... just because someone grows up in a house with two gay parents doesn't mean they too will be gay .. obviously gay ppl were brought up in straight households and were probably taught straight ideals but if they still were gay then I guess they made their own decision just like a straight person coming out of a gay home ... unless the "gay power" is stronger than the "straight power"..
I n my life I can't think of any religious principals that effect my life ... I don't go out and steal or kill ppl because I "feel" and "know" that it's wrong ... not because I'm afraid of sinning and going to hell .. I live my life the best I can for me , not so I'm guaranteed a spot in a heaven I don't beleive in. Personaly I don't think a book written a really longtime ago in a totaly different era can answer all the questions of an ever changing society .. what does the book say about explicit swear words in rap music? (I'm not trying to be and ass.. I"m just trying to make a point) |
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| redbaron303 |
I ought to bitch slap missnikki six... ignorant, I think not!
She's right though that it isn't religion itself, but rather the interpretation. I however just prefer to classify religion and interpretation as the same, it makes for less typing! This is a topic I prefer to discuss in person that way I leave nothing off my mind.
There have been many problems caused by the interpretations of religion in the past, and still are today! Did you ever think that without religion, there would be no bad interpretations and the world could have been better???
That isn't the point of this particular topic though... if you want to argue about that we'll do that in another thread!~!
So miss bitchy sixx why shouldn't gays be allowed to marry... they're going to give your kids the wrong impression that being a "different" sexuality is BAD?! I guess if that's the case you ought to lock em in your basement when the time comes that you have kids so they aren't exposed to things like sex, drugs, rock n roll, violence, homosexuality... you won't have anything to worry about, they won't be corrupted! It's people like you that help increase a level of intollerance and don't help gay people feel welcome in our society! It's not like they're out to get you, are they!?
I've seen good points made on here as to why they shouldn't be allowed to marry and as to why they should... I'm just wondering though how a homosexual couple getting hitched would actually affect each of us individually or as a group?! Keeping certain traditions a tradition is a good thing but maybe this tradition can be modernized to allow for these people to live their lives they way they want. They still live life the same as all of us, but with a person of the same sex instead....
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| POX |
| seperation of church and state people |
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| TheNeonEdge |
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Originally posted by black5speed@Jul 30 2003, 09:22 PM
it can be argued that our everyday morals and principals are based on religion, because along time ago almost everybody beleived in one type of religion or another .... but what I meant was that in todays government they try to stay away from religion because we live in a society with lots of different religions and different beliefs (so they wouldn't be able to make everyone happy if they just chose one religions principals and applied them).... so they don't enforce theft or murder because the bible says it's wrong... they do it because that is a law that everyone agreed to when the became a citizen of canada .... and it is true that individual politicians make choices based on religious principals, which in truth is wrong because they're making decisions based on their beliefs instead of listening to the ppl (minority and majority) and coming to a conclusion based on what is best for the ppl and what the ppl want.
I do beleive that a persons environment can effect a person ... for example, I don't think ppl are born racist, so that means that they have to have the idea put into their heads ... but I also think that ppl are open minded enough to make decisions for themselves against the grain of society or their parents if they choose.... just because someone grows up in a house with two gay parents doesn't mean they too will be gay .. obviously gay ppl were brought up in straight households and were probably taught straight ideals but if they still were gay then I guess they made their own decision just like a straight person coming out of a gay home ... unless the "gay power" is stronger than the "straight power"..
I n my life I can't think of any religious principals that effect my life ... I don't go out and steal or kill ppl because I "feel" and "know" that it's wrong ... not because I'm afraid of sinning and going to hell .. I live my life the best I can for me , not so I'm guaranteed a spot in a heaven I don't beleive in. Personaly I don't think a book written a really longtime ago in a totaly different era can answer all the questions of an ever changing society .. what does the book say about explicit swear words in rap music? (I'm not trying to be and ass.. I"m just trying to make a point)
I Usually jsut liek to try to stay out of things like this, especially religious stuff.
But saying things like:
""what does the book say about explicit swear words in rap music?""
Now i know you said you were jsut trying to make a point but this also is showing that you think that religion{well catholic in this case} and the bible are supposed to hold the answers to everything in life in all time era's.
It was not written as a problem solver. It was written out of inspiration.
It tells the stories of many different men and how they handled situations in a good humanly mannor {most of the time{the new testament anyways.}}.
It was a symbol to all poor people as hope, that their neighbor would be good to them as they have been, and to teach even rich people that life isn't jsut about aquiring the most possesions, but to help and guide others to make hteir own lives better.
As for the whole gay people straight people thing. I think that most of them are jsut trying to get attention drawn to themselves they are all screaming
"oh recognize us, recognize us" If it is truly about commitment, then why do you have to make such a big f@cking deal out of getting married in a church or even getting married at all?!?!
I know many people that i work with who are in relationships with kids even and arn't "married" they jsut feel that it takes too much time to plan or whatever their reasons are, and have been with the same person for 20+ years or more.
Marriage is by definition
marriage
\Mar"riage\, n. [OE. mariage, F. mariage. See Marry, v. t.] 1. The act of marrying, or the state of being married; legal union of a man and a woman for life, as husband and wife; wedlock; matrimony.
sorry last time i checked man and man dont make husband and wife.
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go ahead and be commited
go ahead and live your lives together
go ahead and get whatever legal papers you need to be in a partnership
go ahead and rub your love sticks together till you start a fire
BUT DONT go ahead and and screw with "being married", Marriage was created before anyone can even recall as a "sacred" thing for
a man and a WOman's, union{ which on a sidenote i believe people were virgins up until the day they got married and then upon marriage they would have sex to symbolify their relationship} ....ever hear of consumating the marriage. .A.K.A. having sex. So all I'm saying is be whoever you want to be and do whatever you want to do, but don't go trying to change a bunch of peoples beliefes from ancient times just to be recognized in the church. Because there are otehr legal ways of letting the government know of your partnership.
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| black5speed |
| we don't burn witches anymore or crucify criminals or cut off their hands... why did we change that belief? ... anyway.. this topic can be discussed to the end of time and I don't think anyone will change their ideals ... so really this is pointless ... I"ll definetly keep reading because this is an interesting topic ... but when religion comes into it, it always turns into a shit storm .... it was fun while it lasted .... for me anyways. |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jul 30 2003, 12:58 PM
I personally would say, to hell with it and let it happen b/c it's not directly affecting me or changing anything for me or degrading my quality of life!
I think it does when little kids see other homosexuals kissing in public and such and ask "why are they doing that?" and follow in their footsteps.
OMG!!!! When I was little I saw movies with ppl killing each other and having sex .... but I didn't "follow in their footsteps" and the next day try to kill some kid with my safety scissors at school or try to have sex with some girl on the playground .... IMO I would think that children raised by a gay couple would be more open minded and allow their children to make their own choice on their sexuality like they did... but of course that comes down to the argument "if gays are born gay or become gay" ....... personaly I think some ppl are born gay while other ppl are confused about their sexuality.(I also think that there are other ppl that pretend to be gay to rebel) ... it also depends on how the parents raise their child .... they could teach them that being gay is good and straight is wrong (kinda like how religion teaches you beliefs that you don't question, but argue to the end anyway because you've never known anything different) I'm not religious at all, but I have no problem with religious ppl as long as they don't use the bible or their beliefs to hinder someone elses rights .... I wasn't brought up on religion... and I share many of the same important ideals that religious ppl do without having learned them from the bible ... I didn't have to be told that stealing waswrong because the bible says so ... I learned to know that it was wrong and I also feel that it's wrong . . I was never taught that two ppl, same sex or not, who were in love could not further their relationship by marrying one another, thus sharing all they have in life with each other forever ... personaly I think that if a church doesn't want to marry a gay couple then that is their right to refuse that ... if gay couples want to get married bad enough then they'll get married by justice of the peace (which isn't a religious ceremony, but it recognized by the government)
oh and saying that if we give gay ppl the right to get married then they'll start demanding more is the most ridicoulous thing I've ever heard........ when women got the right to vote did all hell break loose? how about when the blacks were freed or when they were allowed in public white schools? what does the bible say about inter-racial marriages? There is always this fear that if you give the minorities too much power then they will over through you ... what is there to be afraid of?
Miss Nikki Sixx seems like the kind of person who wouldn't let her child go over to her childs friends house if the other childs parents were gay because she would be afraid it would "rub off" on them.
Why don't we all just live solely on religious principals.... today christianity... tomorrow muslim.... the next maybe Jeudaism... then maybe some buddhism ..
Since our government isn't based on any religion I don't think the laws made under it should have any corolation with religion.. religion and state should be seperate
now I think I've ranted enough for one day.. although I"m sure I'll be back to respond to one of miss nikki sixx' schooling retorts.
(holy crap I didn't think I wrote this much........ oh well have fun reading...... :wacko: )
they have warnings for shit like that , on a public street there are no warnigns. |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by black5speed@Jul 31 2003, 04:55 AM
this topic can be discussed to the end of time and I don't think anyone will change their ideals ... so really this is pointless ... I"ll definetly keep reading because this is an interesting topic ... but when religion comes into it, it always turns into a shit storm .... it was fun while it lasted .... for me anyways.
To hell with it. I"m with Spence on this one.... it can be discussed till the end of time... but I don't have till the end of time to discuss it!
I'll keep reading it though.... |
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| Miss Nikki Sixx |
Redbaron303:
I did not slander you, do not do it to me. You like to talk big over the internet, how about I private message you my phone number, and you can repeat your cowardly comments over the phone, cause I'd invite you to repeat those things to my face, but I absolutely know that you do not have the balls to do it, so I'll give you the phone cop out. Anytime, day or night, you can even leave a msg on my viocemail if it so happens to be the case.
Now, I called your comments.....your comments..... YOUR COMMENTS ignorant, not you. Do you understand? Is it clear?
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I however just prefer to classify religion and interpretation as the same, it makes for less typing
If you are prepared to do that, then be prepared to be labelled as ignorant based on that because doing that is a hilight of stupidity, that's why I reponded directly to the religion statements.
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Did you ever think that without religion, there would be no bad interpretations and the world could have been better???
THIS takes the cake as the stupidest comment of the day. Good for you, you are 2 for 2 now.
To think that without religion there would be no bad interpretation is again dumb, WHY? Because like I said, religion's point is to better society. Bettering society comes in many forms, religion just happens to be one that is harassly and incorrectly singled out.
People will always have opinions regardless of whether it is due to a book or from whatever, maybe their political beliefs - where it's from is irrelevant. From opinion, stems disagreement with those whose opinion differs and this disagreement in turn will always lead to fighting. Conclusion, without mal interpretation of religion, the world would not be better, because fighting would simply take on another form.
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So miss bitchy sixx why shouldn't gays be allowed to marry... they're going to give your kids the wrong impression that being a "different" sexuality is BAD?
Oh geez. I did not say that, I have never posted my real reason why I don't think gay marriages shouldn't be allowed, Ive only said we need to set limits - why? That's for me to know. If you can find where I said that, I will gladly take back everything I said, and admit I'm stupid.
What you are doing is reading what some other guy said, that I'm the kind of person who would not allow my kid to associate with a kid whose parents are gay cause I think it'll corrupt his little mind.... blah blah blah. He made an assupmtion, which is fine, while INCORRECT, it's okay, I have no problem with someone doing that (incorrect because I'm confident I can raise my kid right where he'll have good morals etc). You, however are putting words in my mouth. Again, illustrating you have the cognitive capacity of a 5 year old. |
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| redbaron303 |
:cuddle: Wow, I can feel the love from her, can you??? :slap:
just one question do you have a reason as to why gay's shouldn't marry??? I will always agree with setting boundarys and limits... but this is something that people will always argue to the death for one side or the other. I doubt any of us will have a "right" answer on this topic and most of our babble is based on very little facts.... including my own. I'm just curious as to how many homosexual and religious people we've all managed to offend....? Oh well.
I'm prepared to let people live their lives, so long as they aren't breaking any laws or putting the rest of us in harms way. Like I've said before, guess openmindedness isn't important in today's society. :( |
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| Insomniac |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jul 30 2003, 09:52 PM
I ought to bitch slap missnikki six...
:thumbsdown: I'd like to see you try |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| marriage is the sacred union of two people's love for one another, why not let two people who love eachother be joined.. no matter what race, sex or religion? |
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| SHIFT_AT_9000_RPMS |
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Originally posted by SlowAzzPorsche911T@Jul 31 2003, 06:57 PM
marriage is the sacred union of two people's love for one another, why not let two people who love eachother be joined.. no matter what race, sex or religion?
Thatz cool you feel that way dude, but what's so sacred about a man and another man getting married?
This is a good topic. Once we can keep the name calling to a min and the constructive comments to the max, itz all good. :bigthumbup: |
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| 1mns13 |
| I don't understand how homosexual and sacred go together at all. |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jul 30 2003, 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by lude_boy93@Jul 29 2003, 04:19 PM
Damn, Chris ( Redbaron???? ) takes alot of shit from you boyz. Not to mention those mom jokes. Good to see you got such a good sense of humour dude!! :bigthumbup:
It's all good... Humour's where it's at! They haven't crossed any boundary's yet, so I'm not gonna get all pissy with them... (I just think our man-whore Al -aks punkASS is jealous that isn't as popular as some... and have you seen that hat and lil yellow bucket blaine carries/wears at the shop)
The hat is Pimp.
It's not my fault one of my customers brought be piece's of his destroyed honda block in a little kids sand toy. Nevertheless, I can see waay too much humor from the objective side of the situation to deny it. :bigthumbup: |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by black5speed@Jul 30 2003, 09:14 PM
... when women got the right to vote did all hell break loose?
That's another debate altogether, :D |
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| Pro Drag |
I think we should change Redbaron303's title to "Official V8less Gay Rights Champion" :bigthumbup:
Miss Nikki Sixx, very feisty, I like it. :bigthumbup:
The problems of this world don't stem from religion or the ideals held sacred theirin. The worlds problems and conflict in general stem from pressing one's ideals and religion onto others who don't appreciate or ask for it.
Hell of a debate though. Redbaron seems to be on the defensive now however. :blink: |
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| ChromeDragon |
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Originally posted by lude_boy93@Jul 31 2003, 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by SlowAzzPorsche911T@Jul 31 2003, 06:57 PM
marriage is the sacred union of two people's love for one another, why not let two people who love eachother be joined.. no matter what race, sex or religion?
Thatz cool you feel that way dude, but what's so sacred about a man and another man getting married?
This is a good topic. Once we can keep the name calling to a min and the constructive comments to the max, itz all good. :bigthumbup:
What's so sacred about a man and a woman being joined by a studio audience? What's so sacred about an illegal alien marrying a citizen just for their green card? What's so sacred about two people getting hammered in Vegas and waking up hung over and wed in "holy matrimony".
Fact of the matter is that these people are just searching for acceptance and recognition of their rights as human beings. Rights that have been denied for hundreds of years, and because of their sexual orientation they have been ostracized and had other rights violated. I believe that they can't help how they feel, it's just how they work and they shouldn't have to deny it. If you don't believe that, then you're ignorant. Please explain all the occurences of homosexuality in nature to us then, I'd like to know why you aren't restricting gay gorillas rights?
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| SHIFT_AT_9000_RPMS |
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Originally posted by Pro Drag@Jul 31 2003, 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jul 30 2003, 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by lude_boy93@Jul 29 2003, 04:19 PM
Damn, Chris ( Redbaron???? ) takes alot of shit from you boyz. Not to mention those mom jokes. Good to see you got such a good sense of humour dude!! :bigthumbup:
It's all good... Humour's where it's at! They haven't crossed any boundary's yet, so I'm not gonna get all pissy with them... (I just think our man-whore Al -aks punkASS is jealous that isn't as popular as some... and have you seen that hat and lil yellow bucket blaine carries/wears at the shop)
The hat is Pimp.
It's not my fault one of my customers brought be piece's of his destroyed honda block in a little kids sand toy. Nevertheless, I can see waay too much humor from the objective side of the situation to deny it. :bigthumbup:
The hat is aight. Start bussin' some loud as phuck Hawiaan shirts, then you'll be PIMP!! :bow: :bigthumbup: |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by lude_boy93@Aug 1 2003, 01:49 AM
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Originally posted by Pro Drag@Jul 31 2003, 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jul 30 2003, 02:49 PM
[quote]Originally posted by lude_boy93@Jul 29 2003, 04:19 PM
[b] Damn, Chris ( Redbaron???? ) takes alot of shit from you boyz. Not to mention those mom jokes. Good to see you got such a good sense of humour dude!! :bigthumbup:
It's all good... Humour's where it's at! They haven't crossed any boundary's yet, so I'm not gonna get all pissy with them... (I just think our man-whore Al -aks punkASS is jealous that isn't as popular as some... and have you seen that hat and lil yellow bucket blaine carries/wears at the shop)
The hat is Pimp.
It's not my fault one of my customers brought be piece's of his destroyed honda block in a little kids sand toy. Nevertheless, I can see waay too much humor from the objective side of the situation to deny it. :bigthumbup:
The hat is aight. Start bussin' some loud as phuck Hawiaan shirts, then you'll be PIMP!! :bow: :bigthumbup: [/b][/quote]
Just for you, swing by the shop tomorrow. :bigthumbup: |
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| redbaron303 |
See... even our premier tuner shops ambassador Aka:blaine, dresses to impress men.... :lol: Probably going for more than just attracting parts business :lol:
Hope that shirt turns up your business, hahahahahahaa!
And only on the defensive b/c some people seem to think that their opinion/comments/themselves, are better than me.... I'm sure you can guess who I'm talking about~!
Like Matt said... wtf is so special, matrimonial, sacred about some gold digger going for "who wants to marry a millionaire" or other couples that get hitched on tv as part of some reality tv show... Ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh I forgot, it's different than being gay and wanting to marry because the people on tv happen to be a woman and man most likely getting hitched for the wrong reasons (ie: millions $$$). I guess we should deny real lovers and people of the same sex wanting marriage because they aren't gold digging tv superstars from some hit pop reality tv series... |
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| TheNeonEdge |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Aug 1 2003, 12:26 AM
See... even our premier tuner shops ambassador Aka:blaine, dresses to impress men.... :lol: Probably going for more than just attracting parts business :lol:
Hope that shirt turns up your business, hahahahahahaa!
And only on the defensive b/c some people seem to think that their opinion/comments/themselves, are better than me.... I'm sure you can guess who I'm talking about~!
Like Matt said... wtf is so special, matrimonial, sacred about some gold digger going for "who wants to marry a millionaire" or other couples that get hitched on tv as part of some reality tv show... Ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh I forgot, it's different than being gay and wanting to marry because the people on tv happen to be a woman and man most likely getting hitched for the wrong reasons (ie: millions $$$). I guess we should deny real lovers and people of the same sex wanting marriage because they aren't gold digging tv superstars from some hit pop reality tv series...
It's not all about those ones, where do you get the impression that those are the only marriages that happen {the UN SACRED ONES, as i might as well dub them}, been watching a little too much 'the bachelor' eh chris?!?!
A wrong and a bunch more wrongs don't make things right. Sure there are a bunch of un sacred marriages for money, or citizenship or whatnot, but thats a small majority.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't recognize them in society or shun them or whatever. But marriage in the view of lot's of people will always be viewed as a "sacred union of man and woman, that's the definition." Go look it up.
If they want to do it and be recognized go ahead, just dont defile that which means a lot to people.
And chris no one thinks that the yare better than you, its just your comments are obviously not backed by any real life experience.
IF one day you get a serious girlfriend and are willing to commit to her, then you will understand. I could commit to my g/f right now for the rest of my life and be happy, and not even have to get married, it would just be the final step for us, it holds a lot of value to some people, and for that to be defiled, i just think it shouldn't happen.
Maybe instead of calling it marriage, they can make up their own sacred definition by where "its the union of 2 same sex people for life".
I just think that its bugging most people {me included} that they want to try to ruin something for straight peopel and rub it in their faces.
when was the last time they had a straight and proud day? or a straight parade down whyte ave?! UMM never! Im not saying every gay person is like this in fact i know 2 who are very cool nice people. I just think its a "flaunting" type of thing.
P.S. no one has made any valid comments on my last post about consumating....hmm maybe i made too good a point?! :rolleyes:
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| black5speed |
even though I said I'd stay out of this I"m just gonna add a few things for discussion just to see what ppl think ... and to mix it up alittle because this seems to be going in one big circle.....
I know we've touched the topic of homosexual marriages .... but it seems that everyone is focusing on man to man .... and not lesabian marriages .... does it make any difference ? .. just wondering because it hasn't been brought up .... only sitck to stick love has.
and another thing that seems to be assumed is that males parents would want to adopt male children ... which isn't exactly right... they could want a girl ..... would that change anything ..... would they try to make her like women or men? .... and same with lesbian parents having a boy ? .. do you think that the lesbians would make better parents?
anyway.. just something to ponder .... because we're just going over the same things over and over again. |
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| black5speed |
| ok... and just in reply to your consumation thing ... I just want to know what you'd think about a straigth couple that want to get married, but the man lost his penis in a freak meat grinder accident ..... can they still get married.. even though he can't consumate the marriage? |
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| Miss Nikki Sixx |
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Originally posted by Insomniac@Jul 31 2003, 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jul 30 2003, 09:52 PM
I ought to bitch slap missnikki six...
:thumbsdown: I'd like to see you try
I'm glad to see atleast someone thinks that bitch slap comment was WAY out of line.
Thank you Insomniac :kiss: |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| the majority of people in society get married today because marriage is the ultimate step in finalizing your love for one another and you want to share that joy you have with the world. I see no wrong whatsoever in homosexuals getting married.. why deny them that right? Just because sodomy is wrong in god's eyes? |
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| redbaron303 |
Go matt! :bigthumbup:
(on a side note, I appologize for that bitch slap comment to mns, I got a little carried away and am usually not like that. Sorry!) |
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| ChromeDragon |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Aug 1 2003, 12:34 PM
Go matt! :bigthumbup:
(on a side note, I appologize for that bitch slap comment to mns, I got a little carried away and am usually not like that. Sorry!)
The hell you aren't! Oh no wait......that's Matt......LoL
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| chavez |
| I think they should. Its there life not some poloticians. NOONE should tell you how to do your love life (unless your a pedofile or shit like that). I think of it like this, if we let them are we gonna get our assholes poked out? no so dont give a f@ck and let them do it. |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by chavez@Aug 4 2003, 01:46 AM
I think they should. Its there life not some poloticians. NOONE should tell you how to do your love life (unless your a pedofile or shit like that). I think of it like this, if we let them are we gonna get our assholes poked out? no so dont give a f@ck and let them do it.
Allow me to stir the pot. :bigthumbup:
Not to draw a correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia (sp?), but if we ease the integration of homosexuality into mainstream society does it not open the door a little wider for sexual preference's such as pedophilia?
Where do we draw the line, and how? |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by Pro Drag@Aug 4 2003, 12:36 AM
Where do we draw the line, and how?
That's the biggest conflict.... where and how do you draw the line????? If we let one thing slide why not let something else slide! Homosexuality by choice or by "birth" if someone is going to be gay that's fine, marriage to their "lifepartner" is also fine IMO, but someone has to draw the line some where so mainstream life doesn't get fucked around.... |
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| TheNeonEdge |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Aug 4 2003, 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by Pro Drag@Aug 4 2003, 12:36 AM
Where do we draw the line, and how?
That's the biggest conflict.... where and how do you draw the line????? If we let one thing slide why not let something else slide! Homosexuality by choice or by "birth" if someone is going to be gay that's fine, marriage to their "lifepartner" is also fine IMO, but someone has to draw the line some where so mainstream life doesn't get fucked around....
And that line should be with this. That way pedifiles and shit cant say "well 2 men can rub cocks together why can't i look at little boys."
It's not about singling out people, its about the ripple effect...i mena what bad can happen out of NOT letting them get married?
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| redbaron303 |
THe problem is ppl will still do their thing regardless, homosexuals, pedophiles, hetero's it don't matter.
The thing is homosex. marriages are just the unity of a same sex couple, most probably a couple that would probably be the same age as a hetero couple! The difference is that it's a man and a man or woman and a woman instead of the norm that most of us are used to! John you nicely point out that this seems to be a problem for only a man and man marriage why don't you replace cock with tits or something, would that make a difference for you??? People only seem to focus on the man on man, don't forget there are lesbians out there too that may want more than "life partners." |
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| chavez |
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Originally posted by TheNeonEdge@Aug 4 2003, 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Aug 4 2003, 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by Pro Drag@Aug 4 2003, 12:36 AM
Where do we draw the line, and how?
That's the biggest conflict.... where and how do you draw the line????? If we let one thing slide why not let something else slide! Homosexuality by choice or by "birth" if someone is going to be gay that's fine, marriage to their "lifepartner" is also fine IMO, but someone has to draw the line some where so mainstream life doesn't get fucked around....
And that line should be with this. That way pedifiles and shit cant say "well 2 men can rub cocks together why can't i look at little boys."
It's not about singling out people, its about the ripple effect...i mena what bad can happen out of NOT letting them get married?
--ThE EdGe
Homo marrige is totaly differnt. One is 2 consenting adults who are mature and one is a adult taking advantage of a child. The child might not be ready for sex and its effects while the adults are just like any other relationship. Most pedofiles "victums" dont really like whats being done to them but dont have the courage to say no. To a little kid an adult is a very intimidating person. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
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Originally posted by chavez@Aug 4 2003, 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by TheNeonEdge@Aug 4 2003, 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Aug 4 2003, 01:04 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Pro Drag@Aug 4 2003, 12:36 AM
[b]
Where do we draw the line, and how?
That's the biggest conflict.... where and how do you draw the line????? If we let one thing slide why not let something else slide! Homosexuality by choice or by "birth" if someone is going to be gay that's fine, marriage to their "lifepartner" is also fine IMO, but someone has to draw the line some where so mainstream life doesn't get fucked around....
And that line should be with this. That way pedifiles and shit cant say "well 2 men can rub cocks together why can't i look at little boys."
It's not about singling out people, its about the ripple effect...i mena what bad can happen out of NOT letting them get married?
--ThE EdGe
Homo marrige is totaly differnt. One is 2 consenting adults who are mature and one is a adult taking advantage of a child. The child might not be ready for sex and its effects while the adults are just like any other relationship. Most pedofiles "victums" dont really like whats being done to them but dont have the courage to say no. To a little kid an adult is a very intimidating person. [/b][/quote]
:werd: could not have said it better |
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| REFLUX |
No Gay Marriages.
:bigthumbup: to Ralph Klein. |
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| TheNeonEdge |
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Originally posted by chavez@Aug 4 2003, 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by TheNeonEdge@Aug 4 2003, 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Aug 4 2003, 01:04 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Pro Drag@Aug 4 2003, 12:36 AM
[b]
Where do we draw the line, and how?
That's the biggest conflict.... where and how do you draw the line????? If we let one thing slide why not let something else slide! Homosexuality by choice or by "birth" if someone is going to be gay that's fine, marriage to their "lifepartner" is also fine IMO, but someone has to draw the line some where so mainstream life doesn't get fucked around....
And that line should be with this. That way pedifiles and shit cant say "well 2 men can rub cocks together why can't i look at little boys."
It's not about singling out people, its about the ripple effect...i mena what bad can happen out of NOT letting them get married?
--ThE EdGe
Homo marrige is totaly differnt. One is 2 consenting adults who are mature and one is a adult taking advantage of a child. The child might not be ready for sex and its effects while the adults are just like any other relationship. Most pedofiles "victums" dont really like whats being done to them but dont have the courage to say no. To a little kid an adult is a very intimidating person. [/b][/quote]
I'm just saying, the line has to be drawn somewhere in society. Who descided that the speed limit should be 60 on 170th st?! I think it should be at least 110!
Point is, Lines are drawn so that there isnt chaos in society. Im not saying that some gay marriages would create chaos, im saying that they can do whatever they like, go into union with one another. Just not t oget married. Because to most people who know the REAL meaning of marriage it would just ruin it.
So as ive said before and noone seems to understand what im saying. Is that they should make up their own special tradition just for them if they want to be joined together under an audience.
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they can marry all they want, whe we fly all the homo's out to there own little island.
say NO to gay marriage :thumbsdown: |
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| SHIFT_AT_9000_RPMS |
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Originally posted by silverTEG@Aug 6 2003, 03:17 PM
they can marry all they want, whe we fly all the homo's out to there own little island.
say NO to gay marriage :thumbsdown:
Hell NO!!! :gay: :thumbsdown: |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by lude_boy93@Aug 6 2003, 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by silverTEG@Aug 6 2003, 03:17 PM
they can marry all they want, whe we fly all the homo's out to there own little island.
say NO to gay marriage :thumbsdown:
Hell NO!!! :gay: :thumbsdown:
True dat. Is it only me and lude_boy93 who are against gay marriages? |
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| TheNeonEdge |
Have u not been reading my posts?! hehe, I say NOOOOOOOOOOO till the end.
--ThE EdGe |
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| colossus |
| Maybe I'm missing something, but I say, "WHO CARES?" It's like taking a poll and saying are you against the ocean? What does it matter to me or any other avg joe? |
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| lovemytrx |
Average Joe then complains because some small special interest group is now dictating how 90% of the population should live.
Most people sit by and wait for the other guy to do something, to fight for what you believe in, well the other guy is waiting for you.
What is a marriage. Definition: mutual relation of husband and wife. Wedlock:the institutuon whereby MEN AND WOMEN are joined in a special kind of social and legal dependence for the purpose of founding and maintaining a family.
Shotgun marriage: a marriage forced or required because of pregnancy.
Call it what you want, but the union of two same sex people is not a marriage.
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| Insomniac |
Is this a victory for the homophobes?
Looks like you scared away the guys who thought gay marriage was ok :P
Pot stirrage: I'm seeing a very strong correlation between those against gay marriage, and religion. |
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| v8slayer |
NO GAY WEDDINGS.
Leave the gayness to the planners. :gay: |
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| Insomniac |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Aug 7 2003, 02:38 PM
Leave the gayness to the planners. :gay:
Classic!
Fiance: "Sweetie, I want you to meet our wedding planners, Mike and Steve. They are so nice!"
Mike and Steve: "I'm Super! Thanks for asking!"
Groom: :wtf: |
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| Pro Drag |
WTF is this, talk about gay marriage week on car boards?
I am stealing a quote from a member on one of the private car forums I frequent:
"Marriage from a legal stand point is not about morals, love, procreation or raising children. For example, it is perfectly legal for a crack smoking pedophile to marry a dirty lesbian prostitute, while most would agree that this marriage would not create a good household.
Marriage is a mechanism that provides the couple with a number of legal benefits such as the right to make decisions for your partner in a medical emergency, health care benefits, right not to testify against your spouse in court, and many more. As it stands, homosexual couples are clearly not given the same civil rights as heterosexual couples.
The number one argument against same sex marriage is a religious one, and in this country, supposedly, there is separation of church and state."
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Marriage is a mechanism?? That does sound like a legal definition. That's the problem right there, ppl have strayed from religeon and values and have legal terms to define beliefs that should be instilled, not derived from a law book.
I'm all for progressive thinking, but customs have to be maintained at the same time.
Not a personal shot dude, just a diff of opinions. :bigthumbup: |
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Originally posted by lude_boy93@Aug 7 2003, 03:50 PM
Marriage is a mechanism?? That does sound like a legal definition. That's the problem right there, ppl have strayed from religeon and values and have legal terms to define beliefs that should be instilled, not derived from a law book.
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You know, I don't think marriage is as important today as it was years ago... on that note, nor is it as sacred now as it was "then."
I think that ppl have to be more open in their thinking, times are changing which means many things are bound to change... and change in some ppl's eyes will always be good or bad.
In this argument, it's not about the ppl from these posts. It's about keeping tradition, tradition... it just so happens to be that that tradition is a religious thing that when taken out of connotation can cause some problems in either a religious persons eyes, or someone who isn't as devout!
Unfortunatly, if we hold tight to religious tradition and keep it the "holly union of a man/woman" then we deny gay men and women the same legal rights that a straight couple can have while choosing/forced to get married. That isn't right, how can ppl be denied the same rights that most of us will have when we're married just because they dont' love someone of the opposite sex? At the same time, how can you offer gay people the proper/same rights without having them "properlly united?" If that were to happen then some straight ppl that use marriage as an espcape in the political/legal world would want similar non-marriage rights, and then the system will be shot to shit again!
I think that it's time to adapt some values and traditions to our modern lifestyles... if not, maybe we should become a melting pot society and strip everyone of their individualism, culture, etc and have just ONE religion, culture, etc for everyon to follow, then there'd be less problems.... I think not, but adaptation can work well for every party involved. |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Aug 7 2003, 09:38 PM
You know, I don't think marriage is as important today as it was years ago... on that note, nor is it as sacred now as it was "then."
I think that ppl have to be more open in their thinking, times are changing which means many things are bound to change... and change in some ppl's eyes will always be good or bad.
In this argument, it's not about the ppl from these posts. It's about keeping tradition, tradition... it just so happens to be that that tradition is a religious thing that when taken out of connotation can cause some problems in either a religious persons eyes, or someone who isn't as devout!
Unfortunatly, if we hold tight to religious tradition and keep it the "holly union of a man/woman" then we deny gay men and women the same legal rights that a straight couple can have while choosing/forced to get married. That isn't right, how can ppl be denied the same rights that most of us will have when we're married just because they dont' love someone of the opposite sex? At the same time, how can you offer gay people the proper/same rights without having them "properlly united?" If that were to happen then some straight ppl that use marriage as an espcape in the political/legal world would want similar non-marriage rights, and then the system will be shot to shit again!
I think that it's time to adapt some values and traditions to our modern lifestyles... if not, maybe we should become a melting pot society and strip everyone of their individualism, culture, etc and have just ONE religion, culture, etc for everyon to follow, then there'd be less problems.... I think not, but adaptation can work well for every party involved.
*sniff sniff* whats that i smell?
Oh, its a giant pile of shit.
K first of all Chris, your Not being open by not acknowledging that there is more to religion and marriage than "living by the book, and man and a women"
And just because times are changing does that mean we should all be "open minded"? If you open your mind to much its called being a "sheep" and you just do what everyone else thinks should be done. Lots of people are just hopping on the band-gay-wagon and trying to let everyone be equal.
Someone had a dream abotu everyoen being equal once.... i think his name was Karl Marx, so when everyone was equal it actually was shittier than when it started.
Life isn't fair believe it or not. If EVERYONE is given equal rights how come i have to pay 40% tax and native canadians pay none?! Or how come if everyone has equal rights that there are so many homeless people on the street?!
Tradition is a "religious thing?!" Me and my girlfriend go otu for dinner every Friday night...this is a tradition and last time i checked...i didn't start my own religion.
So Also we arn't denying them any rights at all, we are jsut saying, marry of the opposite sex, and you can have these rights. Single people don't have these rights...are we denying them anything?! NO, they are makign a choice to be single. Along with that choice are consequences.
What would stop straight "friends" who live together from marrying or being properly united just for that reason anyways, if they really wanted to when these gay might be instilled they could just be "married" for the rights anyways.
U think it's about time to adapt values to our society?!? 2 Seconds ago you were just saying how we shouldn't adapt or hold values because it all leads back to "religion". And when we adapt our values to our modern lifestyle, you just claim RELIGION, and blame our values on not being open minded.
1 more thing, adaptation can be better for both parties?! Well yes, sure, but what i learned in social 30 20 and 10, in a democracy, majority rules, and that's the way it goes. So why should the majority adapt to the minority.............. thats right.....they shouldn't | | | | | |
