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wireless
hey i cant really decide and i cant find pics over the internet besides tirerack.com to see what it would look like, but should i look into 18'' or 17'' rims for my 5th gen prelude?
i know it has a 5 x 114.3 bolt pattern, but im also confused how the 17 x 7.5/ 18 x 7.5 / 18 x 8.0 works (what is the last number in those?) sorry for not doing a search on the last one :S

Prudz_lude
17x7.5 is the biggest you should ever get for any prelude. 18's look retarded and take all your performance away. 17's are even more just for show, 16's and 15's will get you the best traction and performance.

wireless
ok
;yeah i saw 1 pick of 18s and they look too big
but tireracks "see this on ur car" pic looks good but .we
and the 7.5 / 8.0 what does that mean? lol

EK9Hatch
I would go with 22's.

Perfect size for drag racing.

Jamie

Prudz_lude
go to honda-tech and search the 5th gen picture threadn in the prelude section. 100's of preludes with 17's 16' 15's and some 18's but very few because they look like shit.

wireless
ek9.. how do those 13''s perform on the strip?

rp_guy
quote:
Originally posted by wireless
ok
;yeah i saw 1 pick of 18s and they look too big
but tireracks "see this on ur car" pic looks good but .we
and the 7.5 / 8.0 what does that mean? lol



it's the rim width, so 18x8" is an 18 inch diameter rim with a width of 8". i have no idea what fits on your prelude, though. since you're on tirerack and it's giving you those options, i think it's safe to say they fit though.

EK9Hatch
quote:
Originally posted by wireless
ek9.. how do those 13''s perform on the strip?


Which 13's? :dunno:

Jamie

wireless
on ur hatch
or are they 14s? :dunno:

ohh k i see. i always thought tire/rim width was the 225 or .we but i guess thats just tire
alright thanks for the insight,, i personally wanna go as wide as possible, i like the look of wide rims

minus parking cuz curb rash sucks

Prudz_lude
lol those are 16's from what i can tell.

wireless
noo way.
those hatches aren't that big














i think.










no way.... lol

zhao
u could run a 18 if you want. i think the prelude's stock diameter for tires should be 24inches, so you could run a 18in rim with a 215/35/18 tire, or possibly a 225/35/18 tire depending on the offset of your rims.

8 width should work perfectly fine with the right offset, however i do not know what offset would be ideal for your car. 18x7.5 is more common and you aren't going to run a larger tire width then 225 so there is no real advantage to going with a wider rim.

IMO, 18s are going to look stupid with a 35 profile on your car.

17 or 16s are what you should be getting if you care about corning, but are going to be inferior for drag use. 16s or 17s are heavier then smaller rims, and they also put the weigh farther out so its more difficult to turn the wheels. also, most tires regardless of size wiegh about the same when you are talking the same diameter. a 215/35/18 will weigh about the same as a 205/50/16, so while you may think ur tires are smaller and you should be saving weight on that end, you aren't. generally for drag the smallest rim size you can run the better. run some 15in rims for drag, ur car will be much quicker then 17s or 18s.


15s are fine for drag, but most tires under heavy autocross/circuit track use will probably be rolling over your sidewalls when cornering hard due to the larger profile. you will not be getting better traction. also, 15in rims are difficult to find in wider sizes, so are tires. you will probably be running a 205/55/15 tire at maximum width on maybe a 15x6.5 rim if you are going with 15s, which is a lot smaller contact patch then a 225 width tire on some 17x7s or 17x7.5 rims. smaller contact patch, worse cornering all other things considered equal.

Prudz_lude
good information minus that last part about 15's for autocross. 15's are the ideal size for autocrossing preludes. preludes are small cars. If you think they aren't you need to really look at them and compare them to others. 15's are the best for drags on preludes as well as autocrossing. 205/55/15 tires on it have barely any roll to them. They honestly feel amazing compared to 17's or 16's. Just as solid. The key part is your suspension setup to be matched up with your rim/tire combo.

Prudz_lude
quote:
Originally posted by wireless
noo way.
those hatches aren't that big
i think
no way.... lol



i am serious. wait for jamie to chime in. those hatches are as big as my 4th gen lude.

wireless
k well theyr obviously mostly for looks. and iv decided against the 18 /35 / low profiles cuz would look stupid on my car
im mostly leaning towards 17 /40 or 45 cuz it will look good cuz theyr big, + i shouldn't get any performance losses ( im runnig stock 16 / 55/ 215 right now i think )
i wont be taking it out to any tracks ( at least for now ) so im not worried about drag especially, but the better cornering would be nice through city driving
i prety much want a 17 inch rim thats as wide as possible because i like the wide look
so yeah. . like i said the deep dish looking kinda thing IMO looks good so i should get something with no offset?

Prudz_lude
35mm 40mm offset will work. don't get any rims that are 8 inches wide they look stupid. stick to 17x7.5 at most. You will loose performance. your stocks are 15's. If you got 16's you would gain some but 15's are the best hands down. They give the best size rims from the factory for the preludes. you just need better tires.

You seem like you want 17's though. i had some 17's on my old lude. run 17x7.5's with some 215/40/17's any bigger and you will rub if you ever drop it. And if you don't drop it, it looks like a 4x4.

wireless
keep it mind 5thgens are quit a bit bigger than 4ths
im sure i can have 17s and lower it and be fine i see alot of those on honda-tech
as for width.. if i had 8's that means the tirre/wheel sticks out of the fender a bit right?

EK9Hatch
quote:
Originally posted by wireless
on ur hatch
or are they 14s? :dunno:




Hahahaha :lol:

quote:
Originally posted by Prudz_lude
lol those are 16's from what i can tell.


Exactly! :thumbup:

16X7 Rota Slipstreams

Jamie

wireless
oh wow... look alot smaller
see i was looking at these



or these



i just really like the wide rims look, and my car is black so those two press the right buttons lol

Prudz_lude
quote:
Originally posted by wireless
keep it mind 5thgens are quit a bit bigger than 4ths
im sure i can have 17s and lower it and be fine i see alot of those on honda-tech
as for width.. if i had 8's that means the tirre/wheel sticks out of the fender a bit right?



they share the exact same suspension. That is why you can swap all the suspension from 92-01 onto 4th and 5th gens. 8's will stick out a bit but tire size plays a bigger part to that.

Prudz_lude
Those are 17's on both those cars. Both have 7.5 inch widths from my understanding. like i said, it is the tires that help look like they stick out a bit more.

wireless
k so i would look into 17 x 7.5 then and tires? 225 / 40 / 17?

zhao
quote:
Originally posted by wireless
keep it mind 5thgens are quit a bit bigger than 4ths
im sure i can have 17s and lower it and be fine i see alot of those on honda-tech
as for width.. if i had 8's that means the tirre/wheel sticks out of the fender a bit right?



^ 17x7.5 vs 17x8 means that the 17x8 rims will stick out 6mm more on each side of the rim for the same offset.

you will also stretch the tire a bit more on the 17x8s if its the same size, providing a bigger contact patch. so yes, it will stick out a bit more with the same offset if you go with 8in.

off the top of my head, i believe ideally 17x8s should be running a 225 or 235 width tire (215s and 245s are also within tolerances for the rim), 17x7.5s should be running a 215 or 225 width tire (205s and 235s are also within tolerances for the rim). stick to a 215 probably, 225 at most. 205 if you want to go cheap since usually 205/40/17s are significantly cheaper then 215/40/17s and 225/40/17s.

running a 205 or 215 on a 17x8 is also probably going to look a bit odd as the tire will be stretched more. a 205 on a 17x7.5 may look a bit odd too depending on the specific tire brand/model.

wireless
ok im mostly leaning towards 17 x 8 with 235
or 17 x 7.5 with 225
any performance differneces between these two?

zhao
quote:
Originally posted by wireless
k so i would look into 17 x 7.5 then and tires? 225 / 40 / 17?


yes, or 215/40/17 as you may find 225/40/17s expensive depending on the tire.

nothing bigger then a 225/40/17 either, although you may be able to fit 235s 245s if you get exactly the right offset to make that work. (i know hondas are pretty forgiving usually, i'm running some 31+ offset 17x7.5s with 225s on a rsx right now which is technically pretty extreme, but still has room to play with :) )

zhao
quote:
Originally posted by wireless
ok im mostly leaning towards 17 x 8 with 235
or 17 x 7.5 with 225
any performance differneces between these two?



if 235s do work on that car, you better find out exactly what offset the guy whos made them work is running. whatever rim offset a tire shop recommends for a 17x8 on a prelude is probably not going to work with extreme tire sizes because their offset is probably going to be too high.

my experience with hondas is that hondas are usually more forgiving on the outer side (fender side) then the inner side. with increasing rim and tire sizes, it extends the rim and tire equally both ways. so a honda will hit the suspension side long before it hits the fender side usually, meaning you do not want to listen to what a tire shop says, because in all honesty, they have no fricken clue beyond a certain point, all they do is read from a list that will usually tell them to recommend a higher offset when going with a wider rim.

ur probably going to need around a 40 offset i'd guess to make 235s work, but u better find someone that's ran 235s before to find out.

as for it making a difference between 225s and 235s, yes, it will, but if u are not tracking ur car, you will not really benefit from that difference at all.

wireless
ok i thought about it i decided 17 x 7.5 just cuz 235s are gonna be expensive and all. plus hard to do

could i still get that wheel out of the fender look with the 7.5 if i use spacers or something like that?
and id think id go with a 215 or a 225 if ican find a good price

zhao
don't use spacers, use offset.

say ur stock offset is 45mm with a 15x6.5 rim.

say you go to a 45 offset 17x7.5 rim. now your rims are extended out 12mm more inside and outside over what they were stock.

now say you go with a 40 offset 17x7.5 rim, now they are extended out 7mm inside and 17mm outside (fender side). go even lower and it increases how much they stick out on the outside even more. however, go to low with the offset and u'll hit ur fenders.

40 offset is probably a good safe offset for 17x7.5s on a prelude, but i wouldn't be surprised if u can also safely run 35+ offset too with that rim and a 225 tire without even rolling ur fenders. better look into it though before you order anything.

wireless
hows the wheel gonna hit the fenders if its smaller than them>?
like u mean if i lower it and i go over a bump and it rubs on top of the tire?

zhao
ur wheel travels up and down on the suspension, if ur wheel sticks out too far when ur suspension travels (over a bump, hard corner, etc), it will smash up into the fender, instead of up and safely in the fender well.

and with the way fenders are constructed, fenders are made of thin steel with a lip that sticks inward. if wheel and tire travel upwards and hit that, it will also pull it back down, or rub along the sharp edge of that fender. it causes body damage, and will slice your tire.

when people roll fenders its to get rid of this sharp lip so they can run wider tires safely.

zhao
lowering your car with some springs or coilovers will not affect what width or height of tires you can run either. Your tires will still travel along the same line of the suspension and if you rub when you are stock, lowering it won't change anything. likewise, if you rub on bumps or hard corners when you are lowered, raising the car to stock height will not change anything either, it will still rub when you hit a major bump or corner very hard.

wireless
and when u roll fenders u just taper/roll the sharp edge upwards?

wireless
so if i were to lower the car what would i have to do to prevent it from rubbing say if i got the fenders rolled or if i bought the right size tires

anschutz_93
Well some good stuff has been said by zhao but I will throw out my $.02 as well.

Rim size go with 17x7.5, I do not know what offset but it will be between 35-45.

Now on to tires...

I don't know exactly how manufacturers size their tires but "actual size" can be quite different than size stamped onto the tire. It is not uncommon to find a 235 which is actually narrower than a 225, or have two 235mm tires one with a 45 sidewall and one with a 40 and they will appear to be the same size. I think the manufacturers just do a lot of round up/down when they choose a size.
Anyways, due to the condition of Edmonton's roads don't go lower than a 45 series tire.
If you want performance get the tire with the hardest sidewall imaginable, if you can bend the sidewall with your hand it is too soft. Harder sidewalls are generally given to tires with a higher speed rating, but their main advantage is in handling.
With width, get what you can afford/fit. I would suggest getting a nice 215 or possibly a 225 if you can afford. A good more narrow tire will be much better than a cheaper wider tire. If you do not have to drive this vehicle in all-seasons, get a summer only tire with a soft rubber compound with minimal area removed for tread design.

*edit* The question about rubbing: To fix rubbing the best thing to do is roll your fenders, its relatively cheap to get done at a shop but with most cars on this forum I would suggest the baseball bat technique. Other options would be wheel spacers, change offset and playing with the camber.

wireless
so i checked my car right now.. im on 205 / 50 / R16 nokian winter tires with stock honda rims.. i knew they were 16s. and theres alot of space. the tire is way behind the fender edge.

so going to at least a 215/ 40 / 17 i dont think would be problematic at all, and a 225 / 40 / 17 should fit with ease too

wireless
and i have been leaning towards enkeis. .cheap(enough), good quality, very nice looking.. but they dont have any performance wheels in 17 x 7.5 with 5 x 114.3 bolt pattern besides the Enkei ZR1 which are pretty niec.
they have alot of racing series wheels in my size/ bolt pattern though, except some with wild out offsets.
are racing rims way more expensive or bad in some way for daily driving?

zhao
quote:
Originally posted by wireless
and when u roll fenders u just taper/roll the sharp edge upwards?


correct. a fenders are like a L shape for the lip, you basically just turn that L shape into a really flat U when you roll them, if that makes any sense. you can even rent a fender roller from partsource i believe, however make sure you have a heat gun also if you are planning on doing it yourself. i'd probably do get someone you know to do it ratehr then have a shop to do it, because they'll just have some entry level tech who has never done it before do it, probably without a heat gun, and that will probably leave you with cracked paint and rust down the road if you don't fix it.

if you lower the car, you don't need to do anything. get the right tires and rims for its stock ride height. when you lower it, you're probably just going to use springs i assume, so nothing will change for clearances. think of it this way, ur rim and tire travels along an arced line in relation to ur suspension. the stock suspension and an aftermarket spring still travel along the exact same line from no depression to full depression, the only difference is with an aftermarket spring, its now resting at a slightly different location on that arc with no depression. you could take out your struts and springs, and the wheel and tire would still be traveling on that same exact arc, although it will travel further when its fully depressed (obviously).


as for enkeis, there racing series just means they are usually lightweight and expensive, no disadvantage to driving those on the street. enkei's are really good bang for buck, you may want to consider their lower end rims that only come in 17x7's since they are very cheap for the quality. i know i can get enkei evo5s with 215/40/17's for under $1350 taxes in.

i agree with everything anschutz_93 said too, except i think a 40 profile is ok in edmonton. i haven't had any issues, and i've yet to damage a rim yet.

you're also going to have a hard time finding 225/40/17s, thats a pretty rare size, so odds are you are going to end up with 215/40/17s

wireless
hm.
i really wanted the wider look tho that i assumed id get from a 7.5 or maybe an 8
rota has a lot of 17s in 7.5 for example but im worried about quality..

wireless
i also went to te konig webiste and apparently i cna fit these wheels on my prelude:
7x16: 205/50R16
7x17: 205/45R17, 215/40R17
7x18: 215/40R18, 215/35R18
7.5x19: 215/35R19

weird? 19 inch?

zhao
well, the diameter of the stock 205/50/16s is about 24inches, and the 215/35/19 is around 25inches. that probably would still fit and not rub due to the height, but its hard to say without trying it.

u could probably pretty safely run 205/40/17s also, which is usually a dirt cheap size in a lot of tires. but their diameter is around 23.5inches though so it is smaller.

wireless
im ok with a bit smaller of a diameter.. i just want really wide rims thats mostly what im looking for cuz if the cars gonna be lowered then the smaller diameter rims will still look good.

Prudz_lude
you guys need to go to honda-tech.com and re think the last 10 posts. I can't even begin to tell you how many threads there are on tire sizes/rim sizes on that website regarding preludes.

You will never get 235's or even 225's on that car without them rubbing the fender wall everytime you turn or hit a bump. Anything above 40 will rub your fender if you are lowered as well. 45's and 50's will fit on stock but once you are lowered you can't go passed 40.

15's are stock to 4th gens, 16's are stock to 5th gens. Mixed that part up, my bad.

If you think you are going to get some 17x7.5's with 235's or 225's and then slam it, tell me how it goes after driving it for a couple weeks. :thumbup:

zhao
^ what are you talking about? so once you are lowered on 15s, you can't go past a 40 profile regardless of the tire you are using? that makes no sense and is not how profiles work. are you lowering your car 3 inches or something? you should be sticking to the 1.5-1.8in range for a drop on most cars. anymore then that and its usually negatively affecting your suspension.


i checked out honda tech and according to the people on that site that are actually running the tires, you can run 225s fine with a fairly wide range of offsets, most seem to be around 40+ or 42+, a lot of people are doing it. there are people running 235s, and 245s also that claim to not be rubbing at all.

the most extreme combo i saw was a guy running 17x9s with 245/40/17s up front and 'claims' he doesnt rub. i personally find that hard to believe judging by his pictures, but he says he doesn't. there is also a guy running 17x8.5s with 235 upfront, and a few others running 235s on skinnier rims.

i don't know where you are reading you can't run 225s, but ur probably reading people's opinions, people who run 205s that think there is no way you could run bigger anything because they aren't, and post to that effect. thats the same crap that happens on the rsx threads where people say 225 will probably rub and 235 is impossible based on their experience with 215s, yet 245's work fine on a rsx and will not rub (common track setup on a rsx is 245 F, 225 R, looks like a common prelude track setup is 235 F, 215 R). thats also the same people that say anything on a rsx with under a 40 offset will probably rub, yet i'm running 31+ offset with 225s with room to spare and my fenders aren't even rolled, and i know +29 offset has worked for others too.

i actually couldn't find any thread saying 225s wouldn't work on there, but i found a lot of posts saying 225 would.

Prudz_lude
quote:
Originally posted by zhao
^ what are you talking about? so once you are lowered on 15s, you can't go past a 40 profile regardless of the tire you are using? that makes no sense and is not how profiles work. are you lowering your car 3 inches or something? you should be sticking to the 1.5-1.8in range for a drop on most cars. anymore then that and its usually negatively affecting your suspension.



I was talking about 17's because that is what this guy wants to buy. If you go over a 40 profile on 17's with a prelude that is slammed you are going to rub. Don't believe me, buy some, slap them on a prelude and see how long they last without rubbing. The first dip in the road you hit will let you know that they don't work. I am talking about a 1.5-2.0 drop fyi.

quote:

i checked out honda tech and according to the people on that site that are actually running the tires, you can run 225s fine with a fairly wide range of offsets, most seem to be around 40+ or 42+, a lot of people are doing it. there are people running 235s, and 245s also that claim to not be rubbing at all.



I still see them rubbing though when turning.

quote:

the most extreme combo i saw was a guy running 17x9s with 245/40/17s up front and 'claims' he doesnt rub. i personally find that hard to believe judging by his pictures, but he says he doesn't. there is also a guy running 17x8.5s with 235 upfront, and a few others running 235s on skinnier rims.



I don't believe the 17x9's the guy is lying. I have heard of 235's but like i said, i dare you to try and turn a preludes wheels all the way without rubbing running anything over a 215. The only way they possibly could get away with those sizes above 215 is to have adjustable camber kits.

quote:

i don't know where you are reading you can't run 225s, but ur probably reading people's opinions, people who run 205s that think there is no way you could run bigger anything because they aren't, and post to that effect. thats the same crap that happens on the rsx threads where people say 225 will probably rub and 235 is impossible based on their experience with 215s, yet 245's work fine on a rsx and will not rub (common track setup on a rsx is 245 F, 225 R, looks like a common prelude track setup is 235 F, 215 R). thats also the same people that say anything on a rsx with under a 40 offset will probably rub, yet i'm running 31+ offset with 225s with room to spare and my fenders aren't even rolled, and i know +29 offset has worked for others too.



I am getting my opinions from personal experience with my prelude. i ran 205/40/17's with a 2.0 front drop, 1.8 rear drop for over a year. I put a set of 205/45/17's and they would rub every bump. Anything over a 215 while turning would rub. So before you act like you know that preludes can handle really wide wheels maybe you should realize that they can't unless you want to rub the tires to death.

Comparing a RSX to a prelude makes no sense. They are different cars with different sized wheel wells.

quote:

i actually couldn't find any thread saying 225s wouldn't work on there, but i found a lot of posts saying 225 would.



I'll dig some up later on tonight. Either way, i am just trying to help the guy out and make him make a wise choice not to make another prelude in edmonton look retarded with wheels that barely fit the frame. If he likes huge rims and wide tires he can enjoy camber ware, rubbing, and constantly replacing expensive tires. Preludes were not designed to have huge ass rims.

Prudz_lude
honestly i don't even care. let another huge assed, performance failing prelude exist on the streets of edmonton :thumbup:

b18b.eg
who the fuck wants to turn a heavy ass lude with tires that wide on the front, you can fit anything you honestly want (extended studs/wheel spacers). and for profile size, try to stay equivalent to stock, and you wont have an issue even"slammed"

Prudz_lude
quote:
Originally posted by b18b.eg
who the fuck wants to turn a heavy ass lude with tires that wide on the front, you can fit anything you honestly want (extended studs/wheel spacers). and for profile size, try to stay equivalent to stock, and you wont have an issue even"slammed"


x2 :thumbup:

zhao
ok, ya if u can find any info otherwise that can be backed up definitely link it because this is to help him figure out what works on his car.

its just everything i am reading and from my own exp with hondas (hondas wheel wells are pretty forgiving pretty much across the board for what you can mount, hell, a honda fit can handle a tire diameter almost 2inches over stock and not ever rub, thats pretty extreme) leads me to believe there should be no issues with rubbing at all, especially if he is running a 17x7.5 40+ offset with 225s.

as for the profile, he shouldn't be running a 17 on his car with a 45 or greater profile anyway unless its a 195 or 205. i don't think anyone said he shoul be running a 45 or 50 in a 215 or 225 wide 17, i certainly didn't. prelude stock diameter of 24inches on a tire = he should be running a 205/45/17, 215/40/17 or 225/40/17 to get that diameter (or very close to it). 205/40/17 is close also to stock diameter so will not throw his speedo off too much or lower the vehicle too much.


all that said, i think he's going to end up with 215s or skinnier anyway, because 225/40/17s are a rare tire size.

Prudz_lude
quote:
Originally posted by zhao
ok, ya if u can find any info otherwise that can be backed up definitely link it because this is to help him figure out what works on his car.

its just everything i am reading and from my own exp with hondas (hondas wheel wells are pretty forgiving pretty much across the board for what you can mount, hell, a honda fit can handle a tire diameter almost 2inches over stock and not ever rub, thats pretty extreme) leads me to believe there should be no issues with rubbing at all, especially if he is running a 17x7.5 40+ offset with 225s.

as for the profile, he shouldn't be running a 17 on his car with a 45 or greater profile anyway unless its a 195 or 205. i don't think anyone said he shoul be running a 45 or 50 in a 215 or 225 wide 17, i certainly didn't. prelude stock diameter of 24inches on a tire = he should be running a 205/45/17, 215/40/17 or 225/40/17 to get that diameter (or very close to it). 205/40/17 is close also to stock diameter so will not throw his speedo off too much or lower the vehicle too much.


all that said, i think he's going to end up with 215s or skinnier anyway, because 225/40/17s are a rare tire size.



see the tires sizes you just listed ARE what people use because those sizes are safe and have been proven to work. Any of those extreme sizes you listed before and he will be having the worst ride of his life.

I personally would never rock anything bigger than a 215/40/17.

Prudz_lude
:)

zhao
what extreme sizes? the most extreme size i was talking about was 235/40/17, which apparently works for people. i was pretty consistent in my recommendations:

205/45/17 or 205/40/17 if ur on a budget.
215/40/17 ideally
225/40/17 ideally also but should research the offset needed to make it work. hard to find though
235/40/17 should work but extreme so better research it

18s we all said no, although they will work and if he was to get 18s, 215/35/18 would be the size of tire he should be getting.

19s he posted a tire site saying they would work with a 215/35/19 as a "wtf?" comment. no one recommended that crap, certainly not me. i just commented on that crap being a inch bigger then stock for diameter and recommend against it.

i think ur memory is confusing my posts about offsets with tire profiles or something since i was throwing around 45s and 40s and 35s in those posts for numbers.

wireless
k so im going to go with 215 / 40 / 17 . i never said i wanted "big ass wide ass wheels" i even said i dont care about how big they are i just preferred the wider look. so chill
so how would i get these rims to look wide. find some with a lower offset?




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