| How low is too low? - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| EDISKRAD EHT |
Who can't spell safety?:lol:
At around 0:50 was pretty cool though. |
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| Graphicdude |
THat put a smile on my face, thanks for the post! Man that was the when F1 was at it's best, back in the early 90s. When that Benneton Ford first rolled out with it's raised nose, I was all WTF?! They can't do that! But then Michael Shumi started to show why he was the Wayne Gretzky of F1 back then.
And Nigel Mansell, that guy was the most badass Brit racer I have ever seen. I am sure there were many before him, but I remember Nigel. That guy was badass and you didn't want to fuck with him on the track. Then throw Mika Hakkinen into the mix, damn that was good racing.
So many awesome drivers back then. Once again, awesome find on the vid +1 rep!!! |
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| AudiInProgress |
| If you're so low that you're sparking, that, is too low. |
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| JoshP2002 |
Holy geez, how much clearance do they have?
Ive never been huge into f1, but its still impressive to watch. |
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| ChromeDragon |
| At that point, on a flat surface likely under 1/2". But they didn't care, because the ridiculous amount of downforce kept them glued to the ground. I'm sure they just had sacrificial metal underneath the cars for it. |
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| SUPRAMAN |
Keeps the Bum warm. :dunno:
I think they still put wood on the the bottom for practise & qualifying. I think!! |
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| Graphicdude |
| If I remember they had a skid plate under the car and they would change it every race. I can't remember what it was made out of , but for some reason platinum comes to mind :dunno: |
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| EDISKRAD EHT |
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Originally posted by Graphicdude
If I remember they had a skid plate under the car and they would change it every race. I can't remember what it was made out of , but for some reason platinum comes to mind :dunno:
With how big and bright those sparks are, I bet it was some sort of Titanium Alloy. |
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| Graphicdude |
| That's what I was thinking, titanium seems right |
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| Malaria |
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Originally posted by EDISKRAD EHT
With how big and bright those sparks are, I bet it was some sort of Titanium Alloy.
i would hate to be the driver behind one of those cars enjoying a face full of red hot metal :beer: |
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| EDISKRAD EHT |
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Originally posted by Malaria
i would hate to be the driver behind one of those cars enjoying a face full of red hot metal :beer:
Exactly what I was thinking. In the vid you can see that they are some pretty solid sparks, and don't burn out right away. |
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| STiPWR |
NO SUCH THING AS TOO LOW!...
*Says the guy who is replacing his CV boots cause his dampener knobs punched through them.* |
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| crzyone |
| I bet it was magnesium. Light weight and burns hot. It was probably used as a drafting deterrent. Who wants to sit off the ass of one of those cars getting a white hot spark shower? |
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| Drave |
| What year was this around? I used to watch alot of F1 racing when I was a kid, I don't remember sparking... |
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| AuZZZie |
So what are the rules now? Is there minimum/max ride height they everyone has to stick to?
Woulda have been way more exciting to watch the way the video showed it. |
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| Karan |
Those sparks dont have a lot to do with the ride height actually. The underbody of the car is still just as low, except the FIA introduced a legality wooden plank, for safety reasons after Senna's death. So bye-bye sparks.
The main height restrictions that they imposed were on the front wings, thats why you see ones nowadays with all kinds of dips and dives, as team try to get every bit of downforce they can.
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Holy geez, how much clearance do they have?
Only a couple millimeters now. But at top speed, the cars still tend to bottom out due to the extreme downforce. Thats where you see those patches of dust flying behind the car - its the wooden plank scraping along the ground. But you're only allowed a few millimeters of wear on it, before the FIA can disqualify you from the race, so they cant have it scraping the tarmac for the duration of the race.
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What year was this around? I used to watch alot of F1 racing when I was a kid, I don't remember sparking...
Pretty much any race before 1994. Thats when they introduced the legality plank in response to Senna's death. |
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| elvis |
fuuuck i love F1, i used to watch it in europe all the time... but then i moved here and forgot it ever existed :(
F1 should be bigger here half the people in canada dont even know who Michael Schumacher is :smack: |
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| Karan |
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Originally posted by elvis
fuuuck i love F1, i used to watch it in europe all the time... but then i moved here and forgot it ever existed :(
F1 should be bigger here half the people in canada dont even know who Michael Schumacher is :smack:
You can say that again :( Boy do I miss seeing Schumi behind the wheel of a Ferrari. Those were the days alright...:bowdown: |
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| Graphicdude |
I think F1 will be back to the haydays of the 90s here in a few years. Now with the elimination of driver assisted braking, traction control systems, eliminating some more downforce from the cars and they are talking about going back to slicks for next year, it will be good racing in a few years.
Add some kick ass talented drivers, Kimi, Lewis, Alonso, Kovalienan (misspelled), etc. There should be some good racing ahead. Especially the night race in Singapore, I can't wait for that race. |
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| ChromeDragon |
| I thought they still had ABS, it was just traction and stability control that they got rid of.:dunno: |
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| EDISKRAD EHT |
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Originally posted by crzyone
I bet it was magnesium. Light weight and burns hot. It was probably used as a drafting deterrent. Who wants to sit off the ass of one of those cars getting a white hot spark shower?
I would guess Magnesium would be too soft, and the sparks would be too out of control. Magnesium is used for actually starting fires (Flints).
It definately would make a hell of a spark though at those speeds. |
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| EDISKRAD EHT |
There's a ton of really good info on the new season in this here,
http://forums.autosport.com/showthr...threadid=100094
Including this post,:thumbup:
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"They need to go back to having titanium skid plates. Won't change anything performance wise but the spectable will be better. Sparks are better than sawdust." |
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| JustinL |
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Originally posted by ChromeDragon
I thought they still had ABS, it was just traction and stability control that they got rid of.:dunno:
They didn't and still don't have ABS in the classical sense. They had the engine help modulate power to the rear under braking to give a pseudo ABS only to the rear. This is gone this year with the new spec ECU. |
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| elvis |
| Do they make changes every season to the rules? is this essentially just to keep the sport more interesting? |
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| The Stig |
When you're sparking, there isnt' as much traction, and if there isn't as much traction, you aren't safe, and if you aren't safe, you shouldn't be in a professional race.
Sorry.
It's cool to watch, but imagine being the driver that is ½ a CM above the ground, coming into a turn, and your car is riding the ground, there's no steering, you're going 190, and you hit the wall. I bet you'd wake up saying, "This car is too low." |
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| crzyone |
| The suspension would be under full compression when it is sparking. There is still plenty of weight on the tires so cornering should not be affected too badly. |
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| crzyone |
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Originally posted by EDISKRAD EHT
There's a ton of really good info on the new season in this here,
http://forums.autosport.com/showthr...threadid=100094
Including this post,:thumbup:
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"They need to go back to having titanium skid plates. Won't change anything performance wise but the spectable will be better. Sparks are better than sawdust."
Learn something new every day. I didn't realize titanium sparks that much. It would be a good wear metal being strong and light. I agree that magnesium is a bit soft, but the shower of sparks would be amazing :thumbup: |
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| Graphicdude |
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Originally posted by elvis
Do they make changes every season to the rules? is this essentially just to keep the sport more interesting?
Ya, they are trying to get the F1 back to it's glory years. I think they are on the right track. Eckelstone (misspelled?) is trying to even the playing field with the cars by fine tuning the rules every year but like any auto racing, the teams are finding different ways to get an edge on the competition.
Case in point, look at the aerodynamics now as compared to last year and the year before. They restricted the wing sizes and because of it teams are putting canards (misspelled?) and other aerodynamic devices on other areas of the cars to get that extra bit of down force. |
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| EDISKRAD EHT |
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Originally posted by crzyone
Learn something new every day. I didn't realize titanium sparks that much. It would be a good wear metal being strong and light. I agree that magnesium is a bit soft, but the shower of sparks would be amazing :thumbup:
Yeah I initially thought it would be Magnesium too actually, but then I thought back to when I was High School when I pulled out my lighter and lit a really thin piece of it in Science Class.
I could barely see for the rest of the day.:lol: :lol: |
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| ChromeDragon |
They make changes both to make it interesting, safer and to help advance technology. The cars in the 80s were turbocharged and making up to 1,500hp on straight toluene and were slower than they are nowadays. The advances in materials and aerodynamics are startling when you think about it.
They keep dropping displacement limits on the cars and companies just keep making more and more power with the lower displacements. 750-800hp from the naturally aspirated 2.5L V8s that actually have to last several long races, unlike, say, big drag cars that make the same sort of power for a given displacement. (yes I equate shoving 60psi into a 4,000 hp 7.5L big block to having nearly 50L of displacement.)
Anyhow, F1 has definitely been a good thing for the automotive industry. I just wish it didn't take so long for the technology to filter down. |
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| ChromeDragon |
Man, was trying to find some vids of the cars from the 80s and saw this. If this doesn't send a chill down your spine then you hate cars ... and puppies.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=D3iP_OaO3zM
The overhead shot of the podium at 1:35. My god. Just incredible. |
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| STiPWR |
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Originally posted by ChromeDragon
Man, was trying to find some vids of the cars from the 80s and saw this. If this doesn't send a chill down your spine then you hate cars ... and puppies.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=D3iP_OaO3zM
Badass:thumbup: |
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| ChromeDragon |
| Haha, how did you watch it in 1 minute?:dunno: |
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| STiPWR |
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Originally posted by ChromeDragon
Haha, how did you watch it in 1 minute?:dunno:
I responded within the first minute.... I can have multiple windows open at once:D
Sorta like chewing gum and walking at the same time. Takes alot of talent I know. |
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| Graphicdude |
| X2 That video was wicked. The Checkered Flag waving got me, those were awesome shots.... |
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| Karan |
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Originally posted by The Stig
When you're sparking, there isnt' as much traction, and if there isn't as much traction, you aren't safe, and if you aren't safe, you shouldn't be in a professional race.
Sorry.
It's cool to watch, but imagine being the driver that is � a CM above the ground, coming into a turn, and your car is riding the ground, there's no steering, you're going 190, and you hit the wall. I bet you'd wake up saying, "This car is too low."
Yeah no kidding. You essentially just described Senna's accident right there. Except he didn't wake up from that one. :( |
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| quick_gold |
Those are two of my favorite:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8zYGkKzqco0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LloiqutFAeM
In the second Schumi is at least 4-5 seconds faster than DH. Too bad he crashed into teh back to DC towards the ends. He was lapping DC but DC wouldnt yeild and probably braked tested Schumi.
Also search for Barcelona (spain) 1996, an amazing race where he absolutely dominates in the rain. |
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| sliptank |
the late 70's and early 80's of F1 must have been badass.
I have yet to get over the Brabham fancar.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1d7iR72UVh4
(skip past the german reading part.. and just watch it squat down when he accelerates..pure rolling sex that is.) |
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| Graphicdude |
| That's very interesting, cool idea, no pun intended :D |
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| ChromeDragon |
| Spanish GP this weekend. Set the PVR to record it, wake up 20 mins after the race starts so I can fast forward through commercials and still watch the end live.:thumbup: |
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| sliptank |
anyone knows any bar or place that might be showing the Spanish GP?
I don't have cable.. and it is driving me insane. |
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| elvis |
| i have bell what channel would the spanish GP be playing on? and what time? |
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| SUPRAMAN |
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Originally posted by elvis
i have bell what channel would the spanish GP be playing on? and what time?
Speed TV
Channel 417 on my Bell |
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| elvis |
| do you know what time?/day? |
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| ChromeDragon |
| I believe TSN will be playing it as well. 7:30 a.m. on Sunday. |
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| Graphicdude |
| EDIT: The race starts at 530am and Speed Channel and TSN will be showing the live feed, no rerun later in the day....sumbitch! |
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| ChromeDragon |
| 5:30? Fack, I must have seen an eastern listing. Oh well, PVR still works just the same.:thumbup: |
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| Graphicdude |
| I'm going to try and be a hero and get up to watch this race, since there is no rerun later that day :D |
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| STiPWR |
| I cant stop laughing... your sig kicks ass. |
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| ChromeDragon |
| Well I work until midnight the night before and 4 to midnight on Sunday, so it's a bit of a PITA. |
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| Graphicdude |
| Suck it up :D All the cool kids are doin' it |
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