| Bucktown |
| anyone on here ever turbo a gsr? well i did and its hell. any ideas from anyone?you all seem to talk a good turbo....where are all you team integra guys? |
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| REDX2NV |
| if you did, then why do you need our help? |
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| Bucktown |
cause im out of ideas and almost out of money, and i got bamboozled
by deiter into buying the wrong kit. just wondering if anyone has any experience with this type of thing |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by Bucktown@Jul 30 2003, 06:42 PM
cause im out of ideas and almost out of money, and i got bamboozled
by deiter into buying the wrong kit. just wondering if anyone has any experience with this type of thing
Getting bamboozled by Deiter? Nope
Straightening out what will and will not work from your turbo kit, I can help you there, swing by the shop with your box of parts. :bigthumbup: |
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| stealth |
| We have a teg website that i made, www.albertaintegras.com |
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| Bucktown |
| sorry let me rephrase: deiter assisted me in bamboozeling myself. i put low compression pistons in and i just found out the kit im using is specific to a STOCK GSR. :blink: now the piggyback computer that a bought the kit for is all fucked up because of the pistons :blink: i just thought deiter knew what he was selling me :blink: guess not, cause now i gotta throw it out, and spent 3 gs on a new system :blink: damnit |
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| TheWask |
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Originally posted by Bucktown@Jul 30 2003, 11:53 PM
sorry let me rephrase: deiter assisted me in bamboozeling myself. i put low compression pistons in and i just found out the kit im using is specific to a STOCK GSR. :blink: now the piggyback computer that a bought the kit for is all fucked up because of the pistons :blink: i just thought deiter knew what he was selling me :blink: guess not, cause now i gotta throw it out, and spent 3 gs on a new system :blink: damnit
Thats why you have to do research! What kit did you buy? Why is it only specific to a stock GSR? |
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| Perilous_Enterprises |
| If its the low compression thats causing your hassel, why not just shave the head a bit..?? |
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| REDX2NV |
quote:
Originally posted by Bucktown@Jul 30 2003, 04:53 PM
sorry let me rephrase: deiter assisted me in bamboozeling myself. i put low compression pistons in and i just found out the kit im using is specific to a STOCK GSR. :blink: now the piggyback computer that a bought the kit for is all fucked up because of the pistons :blink: i just thought deiter knew what he was selling me :blink: guess not, cause now i gotta throw it out, and spent 3 gs on a new system :blink: damnit
man, low compression would be better on your side-stock gsr motor or not its the same shit. allows you to run more boost more safely rather than stock compression.. you really need to reasearch before you made such a large investment. |
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| Bucktown |
| i did do research! greddy tdh-o5 18g is the kit that i bought, form every source that i could find it was the perfect kit designed for my car specifically. i still think that what i was told was wrong isnt the problem, but im not a mechanic |
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| Bucktown |
| low compression pistons are exactly what i need. only problem is the kit that i bought is not designed to have the boost turned up. you cant turn the boost up beacuse you cannot ajust the settings on the ecu. i only learned this on the greddy tech support hotline this afternoon. so now i have to purchace a new fuel mangement system, and toss out the old piggyback ecu. thats what my mechanic said. i think that its something simpler than that because after the install, it was running sweet, and i dont think that air/fuel ratios change themselves, epecially after only 3 weeks |
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| Kato |
| I think they are all saying is that the research should have included all factors in the set-up. By the sounds of it, you researched the best possible kit for your car but did not include the pistons into the equation...you dig? |
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| TheWask |
| Im no turbo expert but I have a few questions. Can you not buy a boost controller to up the boost? Wouldn't low comp pistons allow you to up the boost higher? |
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| REDX2NV |
| this can be tuned out quite easily, look into getting a hondata and drop the ghey greddy FMU. Ironically a greddt profec B would be awesome for your car for a boost controller. |
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| Bucktown |
| yes, you can buy a boost controller, but increasing boost in an aplication where the air/fuel is off is suicide. the low compression pistons will let you run a higher level of boost, but if i cant ajust the a/f (with the greddy fmu i cant)then i cant safley increase the boost.(running in circles) the research i did included the pistons, which i was told to buy. i was told my stock high comp pistons would blow my engine with the kit that i had ordered, so in went the low compression pistons, and a block gaurd. when in reality the kit that i ordered was designed to be a direct bolt on with stock parts, and i was told "oh ya, build ur internals, ul be able to run 20lbs no problem with this kit, ull be perfect!" xcept i cant get a job cause i have no experience, i have no experience cause i cant get a job. so at this point, im hoping that my air/fuel really is my problem, and that i can get parts soon enough. oh ya, and hondata is in calgary (so ive herd) so i have to make it there first. and that profec is sooooo sweet. aaaaallllggghhhhhhh.......... |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by Bucktown@Jul 31 2003, 02:09 AM
yes, you can buy a boost controller, but increasing boost in an aplication where the air/fuel is off is suicide. the low compression pistons will let you run a higher level of boost, but if i cant ajust the a/f (with the greddy fmu i cant)then i cant safley increase the boost.(running in circles) the research i did included the pistons, which i was told to buy. i was told my stock high comp pistons would blow my engine with the kit that i had ordered, so in went the low compression pistons, and a block gaurd. when in reality the kit that i ordered was designed to be a direct bolt on with stock parts, and i was told "oh ya, build ur internals, ul be able to run 20lbs no problem with this kit, ull be perfect!" xcept i cant get a job cause i have no experience, i have no experience cause i cant get a job. so at this point, im hoping that my air/fuel really is my problem, and that i can get parts soon enough. oh ya, and hondata is in calgary (so ive herd) so i have to make it there first. and that profec is sooooo sweet. aaaaallllggghhhhhhh..........
Pro Drag is a Hondata Dealer/Tuner.
FMU's aren't THE BEST solution for Forced Induction fuel control.
What kind of A/F ratio's are you running right now and how have they changed since the initial install of the kit?
Swing by the shop and we can help you out. :bigthumbup: |
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| CYA |
| how low is the low compression you're talking about? since it's a simple street kit i don't see why you'd be having huge problems with the ecu supplied in the kit. if the kit was designed for boost, fuel and timing maps based on the stock (higher) compression then you'd only be safer by running it the way it is now. sure you're not taking advantage of the fact that you can run higher boost, more timing etc but you shouldn't have any major problems. did i miss something in the post? i only skimmed it. |
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| Bucktown |
| cya, ur right on the money. i think were both on the same train of thought. instead of 10:0:1, its only 9:0:1. i figured id just lose low end power, and be safer in the long run with higher boost. thats what i told my mechanic, but he says nope. also, the performance is fading, its not like something broke. i dont understand how an ecu can ghange its own settings gradually :wtf: but thats what i was told happened. i have no idea..... |
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| CYA |
who told you about the computer changing it's own settings? what exactly was said?
technically the computer can "adapt" to situations and change a few parameters here and there. but i'm sure all piggy back computers/chips out on the market address this issue and tap into the ecu "downstream" from the ecu's output thereby bypassing it's adjustments.
a good example of a stock ecu adjusting / adpating is something like fuel pressure changes via a fuel pressure regulator. say the stock programming said to have x pulse width to get 14:1 air/fuel for a + b + c readings off the stock sensors. you increase fuel pressure via the fuel pressure regulator to achieve say 12:1 air / fuel. over time (a LONG time) the computer will gradually realize that the x pulse width when the sensors are reading a + b + c is richer than the targeted 14:1 air fuel and adapt by storing x-y pulse width for a + b + c readings to get back to the factory targeted 14:1 air/fuel
but you're using a piggy back system of some sort so this isn't really relevant. so like i was asking... who told you that and what exactly did they say? |
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| REDX2NV |
CYA is bang on, good work!
PE Tuning in edmonton is a authorized hondata dealer, and they wont rape you on prices either. Toss the f@cking pos greddy FMU and get standalone! |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Heh, there isn't much that Cya will be wrong about, if he is, just don't be within arms reach :P :D
The ECU can only adapt to a certain degree.
Perhaps in an odd case like this, the piggyback is fighting the stock ECU?.
This is prevelent on Nissans running large injectors and piggyback, just a thought. |
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| Bucktown |
| so i put the car on the dyno today to see if the fuel pressure was there, and apparently i have the wosrst running car stue has ever seen :gay: oh and today i threw a vtec code, and i have a valvetrain problem that i need to sort out. so now, the verdict is that either the ecu or the piggyback system is on the fritz, or im in car limbo somewhere between a rock or a bigger rock. its like vehicular purgatory :wtf: |
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| Bucktown |
| what id like to do is get it running with the pos fmu while i save up even more $$$ to buy a new system. :bs: |
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| bigpappa |
| bring the car to me if you want it fixed :blue: |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by Bucktown@Jul 31 2003, 06:55 PM
what id like to do is get it running with the pos fmu while i save up even more $$$ to buy a new system. :bs:
I talked to GReddy this afternoon after the dyno session this afternoon. Call the shop tomorrow and we can discuss possible remedies. :bigthumbup: |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| take it to me cause i don't know what the f@ck i'm doing.. but i'll charge you a lot.. :lol: i'm just being honest unlike most shops.. now if only they told you that when buying the kit :D |
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| Bucktown |
| cya, i dont want to start a bashing session, so i think im gonna leave names out of this. what i eas curious about was if the computer could adapt its settings, and then change according to its new parameters over and over again to create a gradualslip of performance. porche, my sentiments exactly. ive gone through so many mechanics, its laughable. now im back to acura at $3987750 dollars an hour to have the computer and sensors checked :gay: |
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| CYA |
no problem... i was just curious more than anything. lol.
but yeah... like blueturboegg mentioned... the factory computer can only adapt so much. it wouldn't cause a major problem. |
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| Bucktown |
| hey cya, what u driving? |
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