| Graphicdude |
Hard to believe but looks like the days of a true electric muscle car are getting close. Except for the fact that it can only travel 100 miles on a full charge and that it takes 8 hours to recharge.
Still a pretty good example of the potential electric cars have.
"The idea of an electric Pony car or Shelby Cobra may not sit well with some but California-based HST International and design firm Tjaarda have developed a pair of electric vehicles ready for sale based on the aforementioned muscle cars. Dubbed the Tjaarda EVX Mustang and HST Shelby Cobra EVX, the two new cars will be on show this weekend at the 34th Annual Toyota GP in Long Beach, California.
Both cars are true zero emission vehicles and feature electric motors using lithium iron phosphate battery packs developed by K2 Energy Solutions. With 1,355Nm (1,000ft-lb) of torque at zero rpm and a peak output of 300hp, the cars are capable of reaching 60mph from rest in less than four seconds and can still drive over a 100 miles on a single charge.
The Tjaarda EVX Mustang has been tested accelerating from 0-60mph in 3.9 seconds and reaching a top speed of 120mph. Charging the batteries takes about eight hours with a 110 volt outlet and just over three hours with a 220 volt plug, and the cost of electricity works out to be just 3c per mile.
The HST Shelby Cobra EVX has the capability to run 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, a top speed of 150 mph and a range of 120 miles.
The Tjaarda EVX Mustang starts at $80,000, while the Cobra comes in at $125,000."
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| ZEguy |
| Thats allllllllllllllooooooooooootttta torque. |
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| MixManMash |
DC Electric motors have lots of torque.
I dunno how they can claim it's true zero emissions. Because really, it depends on how the electricity you are using to charge the battery is generated (i.e. Coal, Natural Gas, Hydro, Nuclear). |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by MixManMash
DC Electric motors have lots of torque.
I dunno how they can claim it's true zero emissions. Because really, it depends on how the electricity you are using to charge the battery is generated (i.e. Coal, Natural Gas, Hydro, Nuclear).
Would that be a non issue though as that power is already on the grid? :dunno:
At anyrate, impressive, very impressive. |
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| ae1969 |
| Now if they would make paint that would double as a solar cell ...... now that would be interesting. |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
Would that be a non issue though as that power is already on the grid? :dunno:
At anyrate, impressive, very impressive.
Not necessarily.
If they sell more electric cars that means their is more of a power demand, thus the Governing power regulator will dispatch "X" power plant to increase their power output on their gas/steam turbines "X" amount of megawatts, thus use more fuel. |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by stealth
Not necessarily.
If they sell more electric cars that means their is more of a power demand, thus the Governing power regulator will dispatch "X" power plant to increase their power output on their gas/steam turbines "X" amount of megawatts, thus use more fuel.
Ok,
Fair point, but would there not need to be a large scale amount of electric cars suddenly put on the grid for it to have a more noticable enviornmental impact? |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
Ok,
Fair point, but would there not need to be a large scale amount of electric cars suddenly put on the grid for it to have a more noticable enviornmental impact?
Pretty much. Thats why I mentioned they would need to sell more electric cars to make a drastic impact. |
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| Geofux |
1000ft lbs is too much. 100 miles of lots of fun then you're screwed. And both are too expensive.
Waste of time and money. |
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| Graphicdude |
| Right now, but look at the big picture. This company is showing the power potential that can be unleashed out of an electric car. That in itself is exciting and a reassuring. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by ae1969
Now if they would make paint that would double as a solar cell ...... now that would be interesting.
Could wire up a number of smaller solar cells... like part of a sunroof, top part of the front and rear windshields..
Could rig it so if your brakes lights are on the motors flip roles in to generators.. a number of ways you can boost the range.... |
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| Slow Cruiser |
| Just do a google search on electric drag cars/bikes or what ever. You be amazed at what they can put down for torque |
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| arabian_ryda |
i can see it now!!!!!!!
instead of having carbonfibre hoods, trunks, fenders we could have solar performance parts.
for example.......
yooo dogg i just added 30 hp and 30mpg with that after market solar hood. foor reaaaaaaal!!!! |
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| Tech2 |
quote:
Originally posted by stealth
Not necessarily.
If they sell more electric cars that means their is more of a power demand, thus the Governing power regulator will dispatch "X" power plant to increase their power output on their gas/steam turbines "X" amount of megawatts, thus use more fuel.
At least the pollution is not in the city streets where we breathe all the time. |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by ae1969
Now if they would make paint that would double as a solar cell ...... now that would be interesting.
They have a paint that does that, only its teribbly expensive/unattainable and only filters out the red spectrum of the light, so not very effficient...yet.
Its only a matter of time until it is released (the technology to make it renders it uselessly expensive) but the primary use is going to be for roofs on houses. |
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| ZEguy |
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Originally posted by arabian_ryda
instead of having carbonfibre hoods, trunks, fenders we could have solar performance parts.
for example.......
yooo dogg i just added 30 hp and 30mpg with that after market solar hood. foor reaaaaaaal!!!!
LOL! :lol:
More solar parts= moar win!
Think of the rice though! More surface area would mean a better effect.....JUSTIFYING RICE.BIGGER WINGS AND MUFFLERS THAN EVAR BEFORE. |
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| JoshP2002 |
| I think its a great start to something that will eventually hold its place in the common market - a lot of untapped potential, just look at what they've done with batteries over the past few years. |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by ae1969
Now if they would make paint that would double as a solar cell ...... now that would be interesting.
They have solar paint, but it is only planned to be used on buildings, so far. Aaaand they haven't really made it work that well, yet.
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/0...car-with-paint/
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Originally posted by Geofux
1000ft lbs is too much. 100 miles of lots of fun then you're screwed. And both are too expensive.
Waste of time and money.
It's 2008. Go easy on them. This stuff takes time, but it's worth taking the time. |
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| JeepGirl |
Sorry to say this but.. Covering your car with solar panels or paint will not charge enough to make much of a difference, so far. Covering an EV with panels or paint will only net you maybe 5-8km travel distance, if you are going downhill with a tailwind....
Electric vehicles have 100% torque as soon as you touch the go pedal, that's how electric motors work.
Right now I'm squirrelling away parts for a 136V plug-in car. So far all I have is angle iron for the battery trays, some wire and interconnects.. but I'm slowly getting there... (kinda why I'm looking for a replacement transmission, heavy springs, etc).
I'm going to use my 86 Civic hatchy for the shell :thumbup:
This is the car that I'm modeling mine after. But mine will have more range and more pep.
I figured that as long as we could get to the acreage and back on one charge, 3 hour round trip at 120kph, that would be enough, which looks to be entirely possible!
The money that we will save driving this peppy little EV car, going for groceries, to and from work, Dr's appointments etc over the years will go a very long way to offset our other costs of living, especially when gas hits $2/L+
Plus we still have the Jeep for 4X4 and the big truck (454BB!!) with a flat deck/boom crane for moving stuff, it's on propane..
I'm doing this partly for my guilt, trashing the environment.. but mostly I'm doing it to save big cash. Like my car is only a 1.3L right now.. but it still costs money to run, more than I would care for anyway.. I'd much rather spend pennies to charge the car from the grid (wind/coal/centralizedwhathaveyou) than spend $60-80/month on gas for the car(doing LOTS and LOTS of driving) or $200/month for the Jeep.
Eventually we'll have a supplementary solar charging station for the garage. I've chatted with a couple from the States that have a 1G civic that they built from used parts and they charge from solar and they have been driving it daily for 20 years!!!!
Sorry for rambling, I just get very excited about having a plug-in EV car... It's going to be so cool!:drool: :flamesuit |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
| 5-8km.... that would work for me or the wife... we drive like 3-4Km to work, then 3-4km home(well she does) I also drive at lunch.... so still it would be darn tempting to make one to putt to work and back in... and use the gassers for highway trips.. it's almost tempting to trade in my 04 Durango on the newer model with the hybrid, It's still a 5.7L Hemi, but with MDS, and 2 electric motors in the transmission. Huge 330V battery cell under the rear seats.. they say it gets 40% better milage compared to a non-MDS hemi but looses 2500lbs towing capabilities. |
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| JeepGirl |
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
5-8km.... that would work for me or the wife... we drive like 3-4Km to work, then 3-4km home(well she does) I also drive at lunch.... so still it would be darn tempting to make one to putt to work and back in...
Sure that would be great if you wanted to drive that 5-8km at 5-10kph... as the weight of the solar panels, converters, controllers + the weight of the EV car + the fact that you would need a solar panel the size of a 53' trailer to get up to the speed limit.....
Solar paint would be fantastic! even just for a supplementary charge, yet it still wouldn't be enough to run straight solar, you would still need to plug the car into the grid.
Don't get me wrong, I'm going to throw a couple of PV cells into the roof of mine, but they will be used for charging the cars 12V chassis system, for stuff like headlights, tunes, wipers, heater motor etc. The cars drive power does not touch the chassis, it's an isolated circuit, other than a DC-DC converter for grid-charging both systems. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by JeepGirl
Sure that would be great if you wanted to drive that 5-8km at 5-10kph... as the weight of the solar panels, converters, controllers + the weight of the EV car + the fact that you would need a solar panel the size of a 53' trailer to get up to the speed limit.....
Solar paint would be fantastic! even just for a supplementary charge, yet it still wouldn't be enough to run straight solar, you would still need to plug the car into the grid.
Don't get me wrong, I'm going to throw a couple of PV cells into the roof of mine, but they will be used for charging the cars 12V chassis system, for stuff like headlights, tunes, wipers, heater motor etc. The cars drive power does not touch the chassis, it's an isolated circuit, other than a DC-DC converter for grid-charging both systems.
I wasn't thinking pure solar, but as a topup so to speak.../charge the 12v like you think... btw for the wife, if it wasn't for a stop sign and right turn at the bottom of the hill and a stop light... she could probably coast all the way to work.. drive home she could take the slightly longer way, but the hill is much less steep...
I was also thinking of a roof rack size panel as well...
Hmmm almost tempting to try and make one... just for shits and giggles... |
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| JeepGirl |
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
I wasn't thinking pure solar, but as a topup so to speak.../charge the 12v like you think... btw for the wife, if it wasn't for a stop sign and right turn at the bottom of the hill and a stop light... she could probably coast all the way to work.. drive home she could take the slightly longer way, but the hill is much less steep...
I was also thinking of a roof rack size panel as well...
Hmmm almost tempting to try and make one... just for shits and giggles...
LOL!! To bad it wasn't downhill both ways hey?
I've gone way beyond the shits and giggles stage, If I had all the parts here I would be tearing my car apart right now.
I'm stuck on stuff like, where to get the ring gear removed and have the flywheel lightened, How to go about making the adaptor plate etc...
I bet in 5-10 years we'll have a 780EVtuners section. :lol: |
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| graphite |
| I saw the title and thought it was going to be the Tesla, Im a little let down |
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| Graphicdude |
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Originally posted by graphite
I saw the title and thought it was going to be the Tesla, Im a little let down
The Tesla is rated at 300 HP and boasts a 13,000 RPM redline on a single speed tranny.
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| oldraven |
The Tesla's running a two speed tranny. Or should I say it's trying to? Magna was supplying them with the tranny's, but Tesla failed to pay their bills, and Magna took them to court. That could explain why this unit has one gear.
Still, with an MSRP of $109G US, you would have to be a pretty big self-righteous idiot to spend that money on an unproven car with only 300HP and a range of about 100 miles (if you plan to use them all) every four or five hours.
After seeing how the company has been run in its very short existence, I lost all interest in the car. |
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| Therin |
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Originally posted by arabian_ryda
i can see it now!!!!!!!
instead of having carbonfibre hoods, trunks, fenders we could have solar performance parts.
for example.......
yooo dogg i just added 30 hp and 30mpg with that after market solar hood. foor reaaaaaaal!!!!
I think there is more truth to that than any of us can know. |
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| MixManMash |
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Originally posted by JeepGirl
Electric vehicles have 100% torque as soon as you touch the go pedal, that's how electric motors work.
False. They have VFD's or some form of PWM in them. The accel pedal acts as a control input to the VFD or PWM.
And, also, when you start up an electric motor, it doesn't magically just climb to a magic RPM. It does take time and there are torque curves for RPM vs. torque for electric motors just as there are for internal combustion motors. And the characteristics vary for the different types of motors (i.e. DC, Synchronous, Induction, etc.) |
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| Exodus |
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Originally posted by ae1969
Now if they would make paint that would double as a solar cell ...... now that would be interesting.
They do, though it's not actually paint (per say), it's actually more of an encased vegetable (spinach) coating; a product of MIT. To be technical, it's a biologically-based solar cell. At the moment, this form of "green" energy (pun intended) is prototypical, then again, who wants a baby-poop colored car? You can read more about this stuff at: http://radio.weblogs.com/0105910/2004/06/28.html |
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