| ehos |
What happens if I have a 2 seater car, and a child under 2?
Ie, how the heck do I get my wife, kid, myself and a 2 seater car to a car show not too far away?? :) |
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| Invalid Zero |
| Legally? 2 cars. |
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| Geofux |
| Illegally? Toss the child out. |
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| ehos |
Ok, -2 demerits for having more passengers than seat belts.
Is there a specific 'you need a childseat' law that I could look up?
Edit: Yes, I know it's illegal, what's the penalty? |
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| Invalid Zero |
| Put Jr. in the hatch. :dunno: |
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| JoshP2002 |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
Edit: Yes, I know it's illegal, what's the penalty?
A dead child if you crash. The likelyhood of a crash is slim - for most, but it still happens. IMO, its not worth it, take two cars. You're kid will appreciate it one day. |
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| XtraX |
Get someone to help you with a ride. Seriously there is no way to get around it.
And if you try you sir are an idiot.
not saying you are. but if you try you are. |
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| STiPWR |
quote:
Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Put Jr. in the hatch. :dunno:
Or leave the wife at home? |
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| Godzilla |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
Ok, -2 demerits for having more passengers than seat belts.
:confused: iirc it isn't illegal to have more passengers then seatbelts unless you are on a GDL. I remember that being one of the conditions of my GDL when i had it. |
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| flatboy |
quote:
Originally posted by STiPWR
Or leave the wife at home?
werd |
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| BLOCKER |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
Ok, -2 demerits for having more passengers than seat belts.
Is there a specific 'you need a childseat' law that I could look up?
Edit: Yes, I know it's illegal, what's the penalty?
I don't know off hand, I will have to make a phone call in the AM |
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by XtraX
Get someone to help you with a ride. Seriously there is no way to get around it.
And if you try you sir are an idiot.
not saying you are. but if you try you are.
Thanks for checking Blocker :)
And for the record, people raised without cars seats lived just fine. Hell, my car came OEM without seatbelts (does that blow your head apart), and guess what, people of that era lived just fine as well.
We live in a pansy ass, cotton candy filled, care bear society that couldn't wipe it's own ass without a warning sticker on the toilet roll (warning: wiping too hard will give you hemorrhoids). |
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| XtraX |
Not all people lived just fine before seatbelts and car seats, people died. Children died. That's the weakest fuck excuse I've heard this week.
I guess I'm a pansy ass, cotton candy filled care bear person that would take every fucking step to ensure the safety of my children.
Do what you like. Your the one who'll have to deal with the what ifs?
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
Thanks for checking Blocker :)
And for the record, people raised without cars seats lived just fine. Hell, my car came OEM without seatbelts (does that blow your head apart), and guess what, people of that era lived just fine as well.
We live in a pansy ass, cotton candy filled, care bear society that couldn't wipe it's own ass without a warning sticker on the toilet roll (warning: wiping too hard will give you hemorrhoids).
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by XtraX
I guess I'm a pansy ass, cotton candy filled care bear person that would take every fucking step to ensure the safety of my children.
How many kids do you have? |
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| XtraX |
| wtf does that have to do with anything? |
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| HEWSINATOR |
| I guess if you have kids, you would understand that they do not need to be strapped in properly? Usually the logic goes the other way. |
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by XtraX
wtf does that have to do with anything?
It means you have no kids and you're talking out of your ass about future occurances that you know nothing about but pretend to know everything about. |
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| JoshP2002 |
quote:
Originally posted by XtraX
Not all people lived just fine before seatbelts and car seats, people died. Children died. That's the weakest fuck excuse I've heard this week.
I guess I'm a pansy ass, cotton candy filled care bear person that would take every fucking step to ensure the safety of my children.
Do what you like. Your the one who'll have to deal with the what ifs?
I completely agree.
So because he wants to protect something he may or may not have at the moment makes him speaking out of his ass? Sometimes that can be true, but not in this case - if I said a VW had VTEC, thats something I "wouldnt" know, and I would be speaking out of my ass. But I certainly know I'll protect my kids when I have them with seatbelts - when they were just born, did your wife always hold them while you drove, or did you use babyseats? People invent things for a reason. Sometimes for safety, sometimes for convenience. |
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| SilverE90 |
For someone that is so preachy on this site to other people I am surprised to see a post by you asking 'how much trouble can I get into by putting my kid/wife's life in danger?'.
Personally I don't need anyone to tell me I might get in trouble to try and keep my family as safe as possible on the streets. :dunno: |
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| XtraX |
Actually I have two kids. I just don't know why being a father would make a difference.
And I never pretended to know everything, it's called common fucking sense. It's also called evolution. If morons such as your self chose to risk/end their offspring's lives for convenience well eventually we will have less morons. |
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| BLOCKER |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
What happens if I have a 2 seater car, and a child under 2?
Ie, how the heck do I get my wife, kid, myself and a 2 seater car to a car show not too far away?? :)
Definitions
77 In sections 78, 79 and 80,
(a) “child” means a child under 6 years old;
(b) “motor vehicle” does not include a motor cycle or moped;
(c) “seat belt assembly” means a device or assembly that
(i) is securely fastened to a motor vehicle,
(ii) is composed of straps, webbing or similar material and includes a pelvic restraint or an upper torso restraint, or both,
(iii) is capable of restraining the movement of a person in order to prevent or mitigate injury to the person, and
(iv) meets the standards prescribed under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) and the regulations under that Act.
Seat belts required
78(1) A person shall not drive or operate a motor vehicle in which a child who weighs 18 kilograms or less is a passenger unless
(a) the motor vehicle is equipped with a child seating assembly,
(b) the child seating assembly is properly installed, and
(c) the child is properly secured in the child seating assembly.
(2) If a motor vehicle is being driven and it has a seat belt assembly
(a) in the driver’s seat position, the driver shall wear the complete seat belt assembly, and
(b) in the passenger seat position, the passenger shall wear the complete seat belt assembly.
(3) A person shall not drive or operate a motor vehicle that has a seat belt assembly in the passenger seat position unless the passenger in the seat is wearing the complete seat belt assembly if the passenger
(a) is 6 years old or older but under the age of 16 years, or
(b) is a child who weighs more than 18 kilograms.
(4) A person who is required to wear a seat belt assembly under subsection (2) or (3) shall wear the seat belt assembly properly adjusted and securely fastened.
(5) A person shall not, with respect to a seat belt assembly in a motor vehicle, remove it, render it partly or wholly inoperative or modify it so as to reduce its effectiveness if the motor vehicle was equipped with the seat belt assembly at the time it was manufactured as required by the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) and the regulations under that Act.
(6) A person shall not drive or operate a motor vehicle that was equipped with a seat belt assembly at the time it was manufactured as required by the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) and the regulations under that Act if the seat belt assembly has been removed, rendered partly or wholly inoperative or modified so as to reduce its effectiveness.
(7) A person shall not drive or operate a motor vehicle in which a seat belt assembly that was installed at the time it was manufactured has been replaced unless the replacement meets the standards required by the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) and the regulations under that Act.
Penalties:
Long story short, they are all a $115.00 Ticket....
Don't risk it... Not just for a ticket, but there are some dumbass drivers in this city... Is it really worth it for an extra trip or babysitter? |
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| devin_mm |
quote:
Originally posted by BLOCKER
Penalties:
Long story short, they are all a $115.00 Ticket....
Don't risk it... Not just for a ticket, but there are some dumbass drivers in this city... Is it really worth it for an extra trip or babysitter?
They should multiply the fine by at least 10 and manditory 1 year suspension, or even better should be criminal gross negligence. |
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| Drave |
| I would take two cars. It's really, really, really not worth the life of your wife/child/yourself just because you're too lazy to take a cab/bus/two cars. |
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by Drave
I would take two cars. It's really, really, really not worth the life of your wife/child/yourself just because you're too lazy to take a cab/bus/two cars.
Cab! Dou, must've had a brain fart.
FYI to all the care bears out there, I've never let my child drive without a car seat and the safest car I could afford. I don't even drive her around in winter (lucky us we can do that). I asked a simple question and I want to thank all the care bears for their concern and comments, it's nice!
Thanks for the info as well Blocker! |
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| technetrium |
quote:
Originally posted by XtraX
Not all people lived just fine before seatbelts and car seats, people died. Children died. That's the weakest fuck excuse I've heard this week.
I guess I'm a pansy ass, cotton candy filled care bear person that would take every fucking step to ensure the safety of my children.
Do what you like. Your the one who'll have to deal with the what ifs?
actually people did live fine...
on a side note one of my friends got in an accident and was thrown into the back seat of his car
there was literally nothing left to the front and if he was wearing his seatbelt he would have been dead with not a single chance of survival :)
i always put on my seatbelt and its helped me in the 2 accidents i was in a roll and an idiot truck driver although i laughed when my friend in the passneger seat flew into the winsheild and broke my rearview after i told her to put on a seatbelt
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| kevito_ |
Rant semi-related to the topic ;p
I really don't understand why people make excuses to not wear their seatbelt.
There are only two safety devices that have significantly reduced the fatality rate in motor vehicles: seat belts and traction control systems. (ABS and airbags don't actually save a lot more lives compared with the first two).
I'll try to dig up the research paper that discovered those facts.
The only time that wearing a seatbelt wouldn't save you is crashing at 200mph (you'll be dead anyways) or certain situations involving crashing into lakes or rivers. If someone claims that they can't get out because their seatbelt is broken/jammed in a fiery crash, more than likely they won't be able to open the door, anyways.
Now how often do you crash into lakes or rivers and need to undo your seatbelt to save your life?
Oh, and being ejected is never safer than staying in the car. Why else do so many motor bikers die in crashes? Not from hitting another vehicle, but because they fly through the air at 100mph and hit a light pole with their neck: instant decapitation. Or how about getting run over by a big truck that you just were thrown in front of... you can be Tuesday's meat sauce special with extra road salt. |
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| BLOCKER |
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Originally posted by kevito_
you can be Tuesday's meat sauce special with extra road salt.
mmmmmm... road salt!
just for that, the first one is on me!
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| Dan_Gyoba |
For any and every case you can find where someone "would have died if they had been wearing a seatbelt," I'd bet that I can find 20 where someone did die because they weren't -- and that's without putting any actual EFFORT into the search. Just a cursory look at motor vehicle accident fatalities would do it, I think.
My children (I have 4, by the way) were in car seats. Never in any accidents, but they were in car seats. Two still are.
Not all kids died horrible deaths when seatbelts weren't mandatory. I know that I had many a long car trip sitting int he back of my parent's car with no seatbelt, and yeah, I survived. That just means that I'm one of the lucky ones is all. My mother's car was hit head-on by a drunk who crossed the centerline. My sister was in the car, no seatbelt, and by the happy accident of a basket of laundry in front of her, got away without injury. She'd still have been safer in a seatbelt.
I've always thought that "I did it and nothing bad happened" was a poor rationale for anything, from seatbelts to car mods. Just becasue someone gets away with a bad idea doesn't make it a good idea. |
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| RiceKing |
I have a question about infant seats in the front passenger seat.
Our 2nd vehicle is a 1995 Nissan pickup XE, 2wd, V6 with bucket seats and no air bags.
I checked out Transport Canada's website and from what I can understand, it appears to be legal to have an infant car seat in the front passenger seat. Anyone have any experiences / tips they can share?
Thanks
Rice |
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| stuff |
| I guess while we are sort of on the topic - does anyone know how old a child has to be before they can legally be a passenger on a motorcycle? |
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| BLOCKER |
quote:
Originally posted by stuff
I guess while we are sort of on the topic - does anyone know how old a child has to be before they can legally be a passenger on a motorcycle?
I can not find anything in the regs... |
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| Dan_Gyoba |
In terms of using the front seats for child seats...
While it's not necessarily the best of ideas, provided that the manufacturer has a provision for child seats (Ie: seat belts in appropriate locations for a child seat, provisions for a tether if required, etc) then it's all fine.
My Supra as an example, the owner's manual shows how to install both rear facing and forward facing child seats in the passenger seat. The forward facing seat uses the rear seatbelt to connect to the tether strap, so you can't use the seat behind it (As if you ever could!) I had to do this because my audio install covered the locations for the rear tether anchors, and it was the only way that I could properly install a child seat into my car -- until I changed the audio install around so that I could access the tether bolt locations, that is.
I took the car through the voluntary safety checks, and they didn't LIKE the install, but agreed that it conformed to Toyota's installation instructions and the car seat manufacturer's instructions (Aside from them recommending the back seat.) |
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| Rich_A |
quote:
Originally posted by stuff
I guess while we are sort of on the topic - does anyone know how old a child has to be before they can legally be a passenger on a motorcycle?
I would say use common sense and think what were to happen if your sense was not so "sensible" |
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| BLOCKER |
ALBERTA REGULATION 322/2002
Traffic Safety Act
VEHICLE EQUIPMENT REGULATION
Division 2
Cycles
Cycle safety helmet
92(1) This division does not apply to bicycles.
(2) No person shall operate or ride as a passenger on a cycle unless that person is properly wearing a safety helmet.
Safety helmet standards
93(1) A safety helmet intended for the use of an operator or a passenger of a cycle must meet one or more of the standards for motor cycle safety helmets adopted under subsection (3) in effect on the date on which it was manufactured.
(2) The following are adopted and apply to safety helmets in accordance with subsection (1):
(a) CSA Standard CAN3‑D230‑M85;
(b) U.S.A. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard FMVSS 218 Motorcycle Helmets 1993 OCT;
(c) U.S.A. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards FMVSS 218 Motorcycle Helmets 2000 OCT;
(d) British Standards Institute Standard BSI‑B6658 ‑ 1995;
(e) Snell Memorial Foundation M2000.
(3) A safety helmet must have the mark or label CSA, DOT or BSI or the mark or label of the organization in subsection (2)(e) indicating that the safety helmet met one or more of the specifications required on the date on which it was manufactured.
(4) No person shall buy, sell or offer for sale a safety helmet intended for the use of operators or passengers of cycles unless it complies with subsections (1) to (3).
Passenger equipment
94 A person shall not drive or operate a motor cycle that is carrying a passenger unless the motor cycle has the following for the passenger:
(a) an adequate pillion seat;
(b) adequate hand grips;
(c) adequate foot rests. |
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| Bitskyline |
| tade your 2 seater for my magnum :D |
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| Tech2 |
| I've seen a family in an MR2 with the 3 year old standing on the storage box behind the passenger. Not in Canada though. |
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