| Beagles |
| Hey guys, do any of you know some people who work in engine import shops? This july ill be purchasing a H22A for the lude and id like to find a deal rather than spend 2800 from speedtech. Money saved, means more money to rebuild it harder, better, faster, stronger.... |
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| NightmareMX6 |
| I have one that you can buy, it does need a rebuild. |
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| NathanRed |
| ryan how much u asking for the engine? i may be interested in it pm me or post here and is it complete with tranny? |
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| NightmareMX6 |
No tranny. 800 obo, if thats not good shoot me an offer. I am flexible as it is taking up space at my grandparents place in saskatoon.
The head is good, there is low compression in cylinder one. The other three were good when I tested it with Tyler. |
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| NathanRed |
| ya kinda much for an engine that needs a rebuild |
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| NightmareMX6 |
| Shoot an offer |
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| Prudz_lude |
$200? That is even pushing it in my books. You can pick up the blocks in mint condition with low kms for under $500 and a perfect head for $300.
Keegan, i would search honda-tech for a long block. A long block is everything minus the tranny. Make sure when you do find one to ask the seller to confirm that it comes with the 2 harnesses, the im, the tb, injectors etc. There are a few for $1200 on prelude power. |
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| NightmareMX6 |
| What are you on adam? That is really low. 500 for a mint block is way low. The ones on prelude power doesn't include shipping. |
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| 2ndgenlude |
| jdm source when i asked them a little while were selling jdm long blocks for $800-$1000 with no tranny. for a h22 that needs a rebuild i would ask for $300-$500 depending what it included. |
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| Prudz_lude |
quote:
Originally posted by NightmareMX6
What are you on adam? That is really low. 500 for a mint block is way low. The ones on prelude power doesn't include shipping.
you haven't been searching then. Search honda-tech as well. They are there, trust me :thumbup: I had 2 threads in the wtb section and i got quiet a few pm's. |
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| NightmareMX6 |
| Fine $400 for the engine. |
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| Beagles |
quote:
Originally posted by Prudz_lude
$200? That is even pushing it in my books. You can pick up the blocks in mint condition with low kms for under $500 and a perfect head for $300.
Keegan, i would search honda-tech for a long block. A long block is everything minus the tranny. Make sure when you do find one to ask the seller to confirm that it comes with the 2 harnesses, the im, the tb, injectors etc. There are a few for $1200 on prelude power.
Ok ill try that, thanks Adam.
Edit: alls i found was this.. all the other long blocks were sold
http://www.hondamarketplace.com/zerothread?id=2320155 |
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| Prudz_lude |
| thats a crazy motor. You will need to have a turbo kit for that motor. Its fully built but the compression is so low. |
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| Beagles |
So what else would be needed for that mortor?
I know the tranny and valve cover and header but what else?
Also, what do you think that guy would want for it? My guess would be close to 8 grand maybe more... like common a possible 900whp. (Id have to get my 250 pound friend to sit in the car with me constantly, to try and keep some traction) I was planning on putting 7000 into the lude this summer... probably 5500 of that stuff for the engine. (THe other 1500 would be lsd axles from the gator place and the Ksport Kontrol Pro kit suspension stuff from funnyr1) |
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| NathanRed |
| no money into the body? |
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| Beagles |
Body is gonna be a bit later.... id rather internal before external because while id be saving for external, someone would probably fuck up the nice new body n paint.
Also, sleeper galore... whod think that a slightly rusted, scratched paint, cracked windshield, mauled mirrors and smoked foglighted 18 year old prelude would hand them there ass on a Oil Barrel platter. |
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| Beagles |
| actually, thats a lie... im getting new mirrors and the foglight within the next few weeks from Prelude Power. |
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| Prudz_lude |
don't make an offer. tell the guy you are serious about buying the engine but want to know what he realistically wants to see from it. then ask for a shipping quote and then make an offer. I personally would not pay more than 4000-4500 before shipping.
There is someone selling a h22 bottom end on 780, fully rebuilt, sleeved, tested etc for only $1600. You could easily buy a spare h22 head $300 and buy all the head parts yourself for another $2000. Add another $1000 for assembly, cleaning the stock head, and degreeing the aftermarket cams and you spent $4500 roughly knowing that you bought new stuff that you can trust. Plus it is all in the city so you know you won't be ripped off.
here is his thread.
http://forums.780tuners.com/showthr...;threadid=80058
^ the complete bottom end is already assembled.:thumbup: |
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| walkur1 |
:drool: If only I had money...
I'm just wondering Beagles, if you have 5500 for the engine, why are you against buying one from Speedtech? I'm not saying do it, I just want to know what your plans are.
If I had known about online forums when I bought my engine, I probably would have bought something online too, but I didn't. And so far I've been very happy with the job Speedtech did, so. I also did pay through the nose for it.
In conclusion, don't listen to me.
P.S. I'm totally rooting for your whole "sleeper galore" idea... that would be sick. I agree with you 100% about the internal-before-external issue. |
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| Prudz_lude |
| i swear if keegan just spends 5500 on a stock h22 swap i'll just sit there and shake my head and wonder why he didn't listen to my advice :lol: That much money can get a fully built engine and the mounts required to drop the engine in. Yes there are a few other small bits and pieces that will cost a little more but it is hands down 100x better than just buying a swap that will make maybe 170whp compared to _ _ _ your choice of numbers there whp lol. |
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| 2ndgenlude |
| id be weary of that built h22 in the marketplace right now. it has duanes old eagle rods in it with quite a few km's on them. can't remember if the crank was used or not. something else was. im just saying that motor is not brand new from a parts stand point. |
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| Prudz_lude |
| yah i wouldn't really trust it either. someone had a free h22 block on here in good condition. It was just the block but if you picked it up you could just ship it off to get sleeved/pistons/new crank/new bearings/new rods for about $2500. Then do either a stock head or a built head for $300 or $2000. :thumbup: $5500 is more than enough for a fully built engine or a mildly built engine and all the bolt on's. |
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| 2ndgenlude |
| for a 3rd gen i would do a N/A build. thats what i will do if i end up buying one. try to push 200whp+ and it would be so fun in a light 3rd. not to mention power anytime. |
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| walkur1 |
quote:
Originally posted by Prudz_lude
... will make maybe 170whp compared to _ _ _ your choice of numbers there whp lol.
What if my numbers were 001. What would you do then? I'd like to see you make it run at 1hp. Take that.
I guess if you have 5g's for an engine, it would be better to buy a built motor, especially if you were able to find a decently priced one. I'm not plugging for speedtech here, but I know that they guarantee a working engine for (I think) 3 months, and that they did a very good job on mine. They have also been very good about helping me out with issues on their own time, which is also something that comes with having a shop do the install.
In other news, I'm a huge hypocrite, so I hope you find what you're looking for, Beagles. Whatever it is, I know it'll be sick. |
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| Beagles |
Yeah ima be looking around for engines already started then, and probably run it through you guys just to check:p
and walkur, its not that i wouldnt trust speedtech its just that rather than spend 2900 cash on a stock motor, and then buy all the extras, only to be left with useless stock parts, seems kinda tedious to me. I could simply buy some like a long/short block or w.e has been previously built up and then order the rest or something... would save me quite a bit of money id presume. |
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| Beagles |
I pm'ed http://www.hondamarketplace.com/zerothread?id=2308001
that guy about the long block..
And ill most definately pm the one guy with the powerhouse longblock
Edit: or not, i dont have permission to do anything..... only thing i can do is attempt to post useful information in one of the forums to get 10 posts... |
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| Prudz_lude |
quote:
Originally posted by 2ndgenlude
for a 3rd gen i would do a N/A build. thats what i will do if i end up buying one. try to push 200whp+ and it would be so fun in a light 3rd. not to mention power anytime.
same. but i wouldn't aim for 200whp with that budget. I would aim for 240whp n/a. That would be crazy. Custom header, fully built engine. N/A cams. 98vtec made 220whp on stock cams with a built h23vtec. That built block on 780 is a h23 block meaning keegan could get 220whp before cams. Toss teh cams/header in and there is a chance he will reach it. |
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| Beagles |
quote:
Originally posted by Prudz_lude
same. but i wouldn't aim for 200whp with that budget. I would aim for 240whp n/a. That would be crazy. Custom header, fully built engine. N/A cams. 98vtec made 220whp on stock cams with a built h23vtec. That built block on 780 is a h23 block meaning keegan could get 220whp before cams. Toss teh cams/header in and there is a chance he will reach it.
what about the old eagle rod deal? or would i just simply get new ones.. |
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| mike3 |
Rods are good for a very long time. Especially if you're not running 30 psi of boost on them. Who cares if they're used even if they are. You're also buying a 'used block'
I would worry about buying the engine and getting the car running before listening to adam to get 240whp.
You're going to run into problems, and you'll have to buy a bunch of unexpected things. Keep the extra money (after you buy the engine) to use on mounts, shift linkage, and all that fun stuff. I wouldn't build it up so soon.
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Originally posted by Beagles
what about the old eagle rod deal? or would i just simply get new ones..
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| Prudz_lude |
quote:
Originally posted by mike3
Rods are good for a very long time. Especially if you're not running 30 psi of boost on them. Who cares if they're used even if they are. You're also buying a 'used block'
I would worry about buying the engine and getting the car running before listening to adam to get 240whp.
You're going to run into problems, and you'll have to buy a bunch of unexpected things. Keep the extra money (after you buy the engine) to use on mounts, shift linkage, and all that fun stuff. I wouldn't build it up so soon.
i would still build it while its out of the car. |
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| mike3 |
| If you do it that way, the chances are high that you'll run out of money, and it will delay the project even more, you might start to get bored with it then. Buy the engine and drop it in! It's not hard to pull an engine to build it after! |
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| Beagles |
Ok so if i bought the block off of 780 here i would still need to entire top parts... but at the same time, it would save me money in the future maybe?
At the same time... i could save up money and go for that long block from honda tech.. since i wouldnt need much else after that. (and it would be all assembled for the most part) |
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| Prudz_lude |
| fuck, i was actually going to buy that block in 1 month and just replace the pistons with high comp pistons. That block is built for a turbo btw. 9:1 compression is extremely low. Also don't waste your money buying a long block. check honda-techs prelude fs section. Every piece you need for the head and all the little bits and pieces are there for much less. :thumbup: |
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| 2ndgenlude |
| just buy ryans head. its perfect as far as i know. throw some new valve seals in it and your good to go. |
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| Beagles |
| lol just sucks with hondatech since im only allowed to post in a few forums which dont allow questions w/o searching or anything not meaningful... its hard to made 10 most meaningful when u dont know a whole lot! |
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| Beagles |
| So that Built block, get ryans head... buy adams valve seals for the head from ryan, then be on a search for the tranny? (does the head come with ecu or whats the dealio with that) |
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| 2ndgenlude |
| i have a stock p13 ecu i could sell you. from way back when i was stock lol. your going to want a chipped ecu though for a built block. |
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| Beagles |
Ecu is OB1 right? and yeah i was just planning on chipping with chrome.
OH also, i would probably be better off letting a place like speedtech or ez drop the engine in and pull the b21 out right? Im sure i could assemble the engine together if i bought a stand or even took it to school.... in fact my school has a big engine hoist... maybe just do it there even? |
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| mike3 |
Just make sure your not over your head here. It's a lot easier to assemble an engine on the forums, then when you have everything infront of you. It sounds like your over your head if you can't swap it yourself, but you're going to build it.
I'm not trying to come off as a dick. I would love to see an H22 3rd gen as much as the next guy. Have you ever build an engine before? Most of the people on here havn't either. Just make sure you know what you're doing and you're not getting in too deep. |
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| Prudz_lude |
quote:
Originally posted by mike3
Just make sure your not over your head here. It's a lot easier to assemble an engine on the forums, then when you have everything infront of you. It sounds like your over your head if you can't swap it yourself, but you're going to build it.
I'm not trying to come off as a dick. I would love to see an H22 3rd gen as much as the next guy. Have you ever build an engine before? Most of the people on here havn't either. Just make sure you know what you're doing and you're not getting in too deep.
Agreed. Also, if you are going to have a shop swap the motor in then go to speedtech like curtis said. They are the only shop i would let do a swap. |
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| mike3 |
| You might also be hard pressed to find a shop that will swap an engine into a car that you built. If theres any problems with the engine then you would blame them. Personally I wouldn't try to get an engine swapped in, and running properly that someone else built. Too many things to worry about. |
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| Prudz_lude |
| the problem with an h22 into a 3rd gen is it is a major custom project. |
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| 2ndgenlude |
| its not too bad from writeups ive seen. hardest part is the custom shift linkage, and remounting the shifter a bit farther back. custom axles are available, you will need PRI mounts, and they also make the custom linkage. definately a project. |
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| Prudz_lude |
| yah but he is tackling two projects at once that are pretty difficult. h23vtec and into a 3rd gen none the less. Now that will be an original build. |
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| b18b.eg |
| just buy a long block. take it apart after if need be, but honestly buying all in pieces. you will be suprised as fuck as how much shit you will need to buy and never ever thought about before |
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| Prudz_lude |
^ true, i actually spent a while thinking about this today. I think mike is right. Don't do the build route just yet. Do the swap and gain the necessary knowledge and basics first. move on to a build head and expensive bolt on's down the road.
I am actually going to be pulling my engine in september so if you can wait to buy the engine i could sell you a long block for $1100. It is spotless internally and has perfect compression. Passed its leak down perfectly as well :D I am including the entire IM assembly (IM,TB,injectors,fpr,fr,clips,etc), the head and the block. You will have to get a new ecu though, mine is obd2. Harness is also not included but you should be able to find one on honda-tech pretty easily.
i would recommend waiting for fall because if you do this in summer you won't be driving. It is probably to late to start since i guarantee at least 1 month of waiting for parts, shop time (2-3 weeks if you are lucky) plus things you would never expect which always happens. You are better off buying the parts you need right now and doing it in fall/winter.
The engine is going up for sale either way in fall so if you don't have one before that pick mine up. It is cheaper than anything you could get, no shipping, plus i bet most are not this clean inside :D (minus the t-belt it needs to be replaced)
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| Beagles |
Yeah ill definitely try to work something out...
Dreamingly i wanted to see it in the car by the end of summer/beginning of fall. The no car deal wouldnt be a big issue since ill be hitchin a ride with my buddy on our way to work this summer.
Ill probably start ordering all of the miscellaneous parts this summer while looking for a good deal on an engine/short block/long block, w.e comes up.
No matter what comes by, ill most likely be dumping my questions about parts and deals into this thread to keep things tidy. |
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| Prudz_lude |
| well if you don't have one before winter you mine is all yours. I'll even sell you the SS header that i am running right now. I'll be getting a custom header done in winter so i won't be needing it by then. |
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| Beagles |
| Sounds good Adam! oh and when would you want that cash for the Short throw? Ill be running around tomorrow if u desire. |
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| Prudz_lude |
| ummm not sure. I need to get the confirmed shipping quote from jeremy. Plus nathan has not let me know if he is going give cash for it to save on shipping. I need to know because it is you three who are paying for the shipping. Jeremy owes me free shipping for screwing up an order 2 months ago on a cooling plate. Once i know the total i will ask you guys for the money. |
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| Beagles |
| Sounds good, if you need it faster (wasnt the deadline the 20th?) just call or text me... ill pm you my number |
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| Beagles |
| Power mirrors/fog light and plastic gauge cover coming to my house next week! |
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