| Spanish_Ryder |
hey
im just woundering if its legal to switch licences plates from an old car to one that u just got??
because in the learners book it says you can and that you can drive that car for 14 days
if any could help me out
thanks |
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| RotaryJunkie13B |
yes
but you need the bill of sale on you and have it INSURED under the new car. that is all. |
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| Godzilla |
| from what i have been told, you can use your old plate if you can prove that you have sold the vehicle it came off of and that you have recently purchased the new vehicle. |
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| Spanish_Ryder |
| well the thing is from what it said in the learners book it wasent very clear and i was pulled over 3 min away from home and the cop didnt even ask me for the bill of sale and he charged me with driving without insurance and redgestration and imponded my car and took my licence plate for "evidence" it cost me a ton, so im woundering if i have a case im gonna fight it |
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| RotaryJunkie13B |
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Originally posted by Spanish_Ryder
well the thing is from what it said in the learners book it wasent very clear and i was pulled over 3 min away from home and the cop didnt even ask me for the bill of sale and he charged me with driving without insurance and redgestration and imponded my car and took my licence plate for "evidence" it cost me a ton, so im woundering if i have a case im gonna fight it
if you have insurance pink card for the new vechical,bill of sale for the car stating you bought it with in 14 days
you have a case. |
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| BLOCKER |
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Originally posted by RotaryJunkie13B
if you have insurance pink card for the new vechical,bill of sale for the car stating you bought it with in 14 days
you have a case.
Yep |
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| arabian_ryda |
my insurance said the plate was trasferable even without it being known to them as loong as its road legal.
for example u buy a car on sunday and your insurance is closed so u slap on your plate from your old vehicle and drive home what happens? u have proof your old car was insured and registered? blocker? |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by arabian_ryda
my insurance said the plate was trasferable even without it being known to them as loong as its road legal.
for example u buy a car on sunday and your insurance is closed so u slap on your plate from your old vehicle and drive home what happens? u have proof your old car was insured and registered? blocker?
I think you need insurance on the car, regardless, so you wouldn't be able to drive it. It's not hard to get insurance, though. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
yup you need some sort of proof of insurance... I'm not sure if a letter on the ins co's letterhead would work for arabian_ryda's scenario... like say you talk to your insurance co on Friday, say, "I'm thinking of buying X vehicle this weekend, I don't have a VIN yet..." They might write you a letter saying they'll cover it.. but not sure if it's the same as a pink card...
And yup you need to have gotten rid of the old vehicle in order to use the old plate... dunno if they ask for proof though. I pushed that one last time.. I had insurance, but didn't have the bill of sale til Saturday, so I couldn't get the registration, so I loaded my old car on the car hauler, and towed it with the new one.. with the old plate... I guess I coulda used the excuse.. well the car won't tow the SUV.. |
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| BLOCKER |
quote:
Originally posted by arabian_ryda
my insurance said the plate was trasferable even without it being known to them as loong as its road legal.
for example u buy a car on sunday and your insurance is closed so u slap on your plate from your old vehicle and drive home what happens? u have proof your old car was insured and registered? blocker?
If your insurance will write you a letter stating you are covered, you should be fine as the insurance. however, You MUST have insurance on your vehicle prior to operating it on the road. Insurance is NOT transfered with plates, you must have a pink card with the correct VIN for the new car.
With the registration, you have 14 days to transfer your registration from a sold vehicle to your new vehicle....
If you can prove your old vehilce was sold, (bill of sale) and your new vehicle was recently purchased (bill of sale) with in 14 days, you should be fine. |
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| Spanish_Ryder |
| ya thats what i thought but the cop still charged me with driving with no insurance and no registration and he took my plate for "evidence" and he impounded the car witch i had to pay like 200 bux to get out so im gonna fight it and he didnt even ask me for the bill of sale that i had!! it was my first time getting pulled over and i told him i just bought the car |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by Spanish_Ryder
ya thats what i thought but the cop still charged me with driving with no insurance and no registration and he took my plate for "evidence" and he impounded the car witch i had to pay like 200 bux to get out so im gonna fight it and he didnt even ask me for the bill of sale that i had!! it was my first time getting pulled over and i told him i just bought the car
Did you have valid insurance at the time? Was your plate still current(as in not expired)? |
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| Spanish_Ryder |
| ya the plate was valid |
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| Geofux |
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Originally posted by Spanish_Ryder
ya the plate was valid
What about valid insurance .. if you didn't have valid insurance then you deserve to pay the $2850... |
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| Spanish_Ryder |
| ya i did for my old car |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
Ohhh then you're hooped...
You need insurance on the new car... |
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| Spanish_Ryder |
| umm well in the learnesd book it says "when you purchse or accuire a motor vehicle you man usethe valid licence plate that was issued for your previous vehicle. you muct transfer the redgistration to the newly accuried vehicle within 14 days and have valid insurance" thas not very clear technacally i did have valid insurance i donno lol |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
| the problem is that you need valid insurance on the new car.... |
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| Spanish_Ryder |
| well imma appeal it but i dont think i shoul have got the registraton ticket |
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| kevito_ |
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Originally posted by Spanish_Ryder
umm well in the learnesd book it says "when you purchse or accuire a motor vehicle you man usethe valid licence plate that was issued for your previous vehicle. you muct transfer the redgistration to the newly accuried vehicle within 14 days and have valid insurance" thas not very clear technacally i did have valid insurance i donno lol
The problem is the 'Alberta Drivers Handbook' doesn't hold up in court. Only the Highway Traffic Act does. Beg for mercy. You're young and going to school right? A ticket like that will kill your ability to drive and the judge knows that, so get on your knees and beg. Cry a little and be well dressed. ;) |
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| Spanish_Ryder |
| r u for real lol thats dum then cuz thats what every driver in the alberta learns lol i donno |
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| Spanish_Ryder |
| and im not trying to be Rude but im just woundering how u know this are you a lawyer? |
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| Geofux |
No, but he's well educated... and he knows what he's talking about.
A simple learners book won't hold up in court because it's a means to learn not a 'rule' book.
And you sir read it wrong. I don't see any ambiguity in the statement in the book if it is exactly as you had stated... |
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| shortie |
Im not a lawyer, but I went to law school and spent many-a-time at traffic and criminal court.. the guys posting above are right
you needed insurance on the new vehicle regardless, HOWEVER go and fight it and tell them what you DID have (bill of sale, registration, etc) and you can hopefully you get off a little bit. if you are young, in school, have no priors, then you willl likely fair pretty well, they are quite accomadating to those in that sort of situation, just dress up VERY nice and act very mature about it. admit you were wrong on some level and go from there, dont be a jerk because they will nail your balls to the wall... JPs absolutely hate asshole kids and will have no sympathy. be mature about it. admit your wrong (albeit ignorantly mistaken... but wrong nonetheless)
unfortunately, ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law. period.
they dont care what a traffic handbook says, it's the actual laws that matter... go complain to the editors of the handbook for making it confusing I guess.
Im surprised that whomever you bought the new car from didnt require proof of insurance... unless it was private sale |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
Hmmm you could try that as a defense... you know the whole you read the little hand book thing.. thought you where doing it right, got your ticket, did a little more research and now realize you were in the wrong, and plead for mercy with the whole no previous histiry thing/student thing/etc... you don't watch to plead ingorance out right, but maybe, misunderstanding or mis-interpretation of the law...
But like shortie said becareful of how you word things and what your body language is giving off, and your tone of voice... etc... if you come into the court room after the judge is already there(not sure if this counts for a JP too) stop just inside the door, if you have a hat, take it off and put it away, bow towards the judge, then take a seat... |
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| MX5 Miata Guy |
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Originally posted by kevito_
SNIP...Only the Highway Traffic Act does...END SNIP
It's actually called the Traffic Safety Act (has for a number of years now)...the TSA amended and replaced the HTA. |
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| kevito_ |
quote:
Originally posted by MX5 Miata Guy
It's actually called the Traffic Safety Act (has for a number of years now)...the TSA amended and replaced the HTA.
The point I was trying to make was that the law is what matters, not a handbook. :P |
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| Spanish_Ryder |
| well thanks guys i really appreciate it :) if any one else has any thing to sa or any knowlege about this issue please put it up thanks again |
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| shortie |
if you are a student and/or make little income, you can go to student legal services at the U of A and they will look at your case and go with you to traffic court and are more than likely able to get something or other thrown out (I highly doubt the whole thing, though...) free services if low income or student. beats going alone, have someone in a suit who knows what they are talking about speak for you...
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| Driven |
Word.. student legal services always gets me off my misc charges.. (uttering threats.. assault with and without a weapon..murder 1,2,3..battery).. etc... lol
The ticket you really didn't want was no insurance... that's $2875 down the hole. |
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| Spanish_Ryder |
ha ha ha im kinda scared of u lol jk jk
ya i will deffenataly check it out |
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| shortie |
you never know, though.. they could throw more out.. depends on the mood of the JP honestly, and if you appear very apologetic, have no priors, no bad driving record, and so on... go to SLS because they pretty much know the JPs and are very good at talking things down to bare minimums and/or completely gone... if you aren't a slick talker and professional I highly doubt you can do that on your own.. maybe though..
Ive got one guy of no reg and insurance one time, I forget how quite honestly. I think he just pleaded to something else that was shittier that went to crim court... and one time the officer put the wrong date on the ticket and the JP just threw it out and couldnt be bothered to have a new one made... that was long time ago. hell, I got one guy off impaired driving and failure to provide a sample when he was absolutely obviously smashed... gotta just love the legal system :geezuz:
some JPs in general are just cranky old bags who hate anyone young looking... including myself even when there to represent. get someone to go with you, is my advice, you wont even have to speak/beg/bargain other than to say you are present, sign shit, tell your sob story, thats about it. |
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