| Mattiji |
Ok guys heres my dilemma, i recent bought a 2005 rx8 Gt with 34,000 on odo.
and full warranty blah blah. Anyways so ive owned the car for about 6 months or so, and i make sure to change the 5-20w oil and oil filter, trans oil and plugs and ignition coils and all that b/s in good order. But with my luck when it rains it pours, so my car breaks down and i realize that the problem is the apex seals and i almost 99% sure its the seals, so i take it to Park Mazda. They tell me that it could possibly be the ignition coils or plugs, so they finally get the parts 1.5 weeks later and they change out the coils and the plugs. They call me after and tell me that the apex seals are gone 2 of them, i said to the guy i told him so.. But its mandatory the fix small problems before big ones, i said i understand and ask when will the new engine be arriving. He says about a week or so, shipped by ground from toronto...and then another 2-4 days to take out the old engine and another 2-4 days to put in the new 2008 gt model ...Basically i have no choice but to agree, at least its 100% covered under warranty. So anyways another 4 weeks go by, until today they had completed the assembly and put the new engine in. Park mazda said it would be finished and ready to go today so i called them, and they said the new rebuilt engine that was installed, then failed due to the apex seals...FUK. So now im still without a car and ill problary need to wait for another 2 weeks. Sorry for the ranting and bitchen, i just need to vent and ask for ur guys opinion> So wat would u guys do? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: |
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| ae1969 |
That really sucks.
Sell the car?
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| anschutz_93 |
Yes that sucks but you knew what you were getting into. A rotory breaking down.... thats a first!
I was looking at an rx8 then decided it wasn't the right car for me, as a weekend toy fine, but it can't be you only car. |
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| sparkycivic |
| make them rent you another car, for the time-being so that you're not stuck! |
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| Mattiji |
| Well i appreciate the replies, i currently got a rental car from them so i got transportation. Im just wondering if its worth to bother Mazda Canada for shipping faulty engines and bad service. and ur rite anschutz_93 i did know the consequences but i thought ppl were having trouble with the motors due to lack of maintance and bullshit. Going off the forums its a love/hate with the mazda rx8, even through ive had a bad time so far i love that car to death. But i hate the downsides, ill problary just trade it in...fuk maybe theres a way to get better parts, i wonder if racing beat has better apex seals. |
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| MX5 Miata Guy |
Well, I for one, wouldn't have gone to Park Mazda in the first place...
As to the condition of a replacement motor, at least they caught it in time as opposed to letting you drive away with it only to have it fail...so all you're out is time.
Get it all done right to start with, then break your new motor in properly, as see where you go from there. |
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| Mattiji |
Well ill make sure i take care of the new motor but i wonder if its worth keeping i get a new 8 year warrantly after its installed so they say...
So have u heard any bad feedback about Park Mazda? besides mine? |
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| deathwarden5 |
Webber and Jarman are the only places I'd go. Unfortunately Webber has gone downhill a bit since they were bought by Eriksen Group.
If you're gonna get a 8 year warranty, I'd keep it. |
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| Refresh |
| waiting for the hardcore rotary fans that always defend the rotary's reliability to chime in |
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| Invalid Zero |
| Tell those retards to throw an LS1 in there. Problem solved.:thumbup: |
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by Refresh
waiting for the hardcore rotary fans that always defend the rotary's reliability to chime in
You called?
213,000 miles on my totally unreliable FD. Jeez, damn THOSE ROTARIES TO THE HELL!!!111111111111
Man, be happy, you get a free engine... or two.
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| MixManMash |
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Originally posted by MX5 Miata Guy
Well, I for one, wouldn't have gone to Park Mazda in the first place...
2nd.
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Originally posted by deathwarden5
Unfortunately Webber has gone downhill a bit since they were bought by Eriksen Group.
Um, it's Weber - one b only. Can you state a specific example? I have been going to Weber for 5 years and I haven't had an issue as of yet. |
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| Mattiji |
Haha ya id like to know wat the rotary fans would say, i mean i love the design of the rotary engine (way to go Felix wankel) and how it works. It makes alot sense but i admit im worried on the durability of them. Any more suggestions??
this is a interesting topic:dunno:
Ahah ls1 huh that would work ahah, weight distribution gone lol and some major fabrication lol but i actually think someone did do a swap like that. ill check youtube |
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| MixManMash |
quote:
Originally posted by Mattiji
Haha ya id like to know wat the rotary fans would say, i mean i love the design of the rotary engine (way to go Felix wankel) and how it works. It makes alot sense but i admit im worried on the durability of them. Any more suggestions??
this is a interesting topic:dunno:
Ahah ls1 huh that would work ahah, weight distribution gone lol and some major fabrication lol but i actually think someone did do a swap like that. ill check youtube
You might be surprised on the weight distribution. I believe that in the FD's it didn't affect it.
And seriously, if you build a rotary properly (which is so far and few between), you won't have issues.
Surprised though that it's an issue on your RX-8. |
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| Mattiji |
Weber mazda? shit im kinda stuck in park mazda, unless i tow but its expensive..
But i mean has anyone actually gone to Park mazda for servicing> StorieS?? |
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| Mattiji |
Thats right i did see a ls1 swap in a fd before, i thought it might have been a rx8.
anyways ya i dont know exactly why 2 seals went, but i do know i try to baby the car most of the time. |
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| RotaryJunkie13B |
park mazda is garbage there service is terrible.
got my Turbo II's TPS sensor done there and it wasd 2 weeks of headaches..
park came in fast but then they moved onto a new car.. charged me for things i didnt ok to do like new plugs and shit like that, then i had to wait then when i got it back it was acting up after 140kmph and 600 bucks later shit stil aint fixed properly, I take it back and there like oh ya your timing was out and your tps wasnt set right or some garbage i'm like well arnt you idiots suppose to do that. So they charge me another 300 dollars on top of that, call me two days later ya problems solved i got back in fustration pick up the car and drive it about 2-3kms.. and the car starts miss firing and bogging and shit.
i waslike wtf. I drive it slowly into the city and the problem kinda goes away if your not under any load or hard throttle so i make it to the wed meet. pop the hood and start inspection it.
Some dumb fuck named ryan over at park that was a "new" mechanic was working on my Rotary that he's never seen or touched before in his life put my plugs in backwards (trailing in leading leading in trialing) then he had the plug wires all screwy (rear trailing to rear leading rear leading to front trailing so on and so on) so the next day i go in talk to the service manager he refunds me most of my money thankfull but i'm happy to say i'll never do buisness there again.
With the service advisor giving me additude about my "unhappy" exsperiance trying to tell me how i should just be thankful it was done in the time frame and what not. I was just not impressed.
matt. |
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| ehos |
The cars are fine the dealerships suck.
Any symptoms before the engine went?? 30ish K is way too low for Apex seal failure esp. on non-turbo rotary...
EDIT!
OOPS, did you say 'BABY your RX8'?? BABY a rotary? Oh noes.
You know you have to run them up to high RPM's every once in a while (I do it every drive) to get rid of the carbon build up? You can easily kill a rotary driving it at 2500-3500 RPM's all the time. |
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| blondy |
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Originally posted by ehos
EDIT!
OOPS, did you say 'BABY your RX8'?? BABY a rotary? Oh noes.
You know you have to run them up to high RPM's every once in a while (I do it every drive) to get rid of the carbon build up? You can easily kill a rotary driving it at 2500-3500 RPM's all the time.
Very true! My sis has had hers for few years now the only problem she has had is the heat recalled and after that all was well.
She deals with Weber and is most happy with the service she gets there
I tease her all the time about needing to drive the car to the max...to keep everything running smoothly... |
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| NewDynasty |
I was at Sundance Mazda yesterday and chatted with one of the service attendants. We talked about rotaries and he showed me a 2007 RX-8 that needed a new engine. 2007! :eek:
Sundance Mazda is good. Only thing that bothered me is the front desk lady didn't ask for my ID (she has never seen me before). No point having a secured lot if anyone is given keys haha. |
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| 4kruzn |
geesh guys you sound all surprised that a new car has a new engine....
there are thousands of new car that have had engines replaced. on fine example is 05-06 g35 nissans......sorry infinity... motors replaced under warrenty for excessive oil consumption. most under 25,000kms.
i had a mustang 5.0 replaced complete engine under warenty at 19000kms.
neons were famous for rebuilt motors under warenty. excessive piston slap..
the list can go on and on... |
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| deathwarden5 |
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Originally posted by MixManMash
Um, it's Weber - one b only. Can you state a specific example? I have been going to Weber for 5 years and I haven't had an issue as of yet.
I've talked to many people who've gone to Weber since the take over. Their old parts person left, and since then, parts department has been horrible. Cars left for oil changes that don't get done. And they're not as forgiving in their prices and deals. |
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| Timmie_G |
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Originally posted by deathwarden5
And they're not as forgiving in their prices and deals.
Why must people always expect to get a deal, or a reduced price when getting servicing done. If a mistake was made fine then some sort of compensation should be given, if nothin went wrong then there should be no discount.
You don't go to wal mart and ask them to give you 20% off dish soap because you don't want to pay full price do you.
When you order a Steak do you say c'mon just gut me a break here.
I'm sorry I'm not trying to pick on anyone in particular cause lots of people do it, but as a mechanic who worked at dealerships its frustrating when MY time and money is lost because someone doesn't want to pay full price when a good job is done. |
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| deathwarden5 |
| I wasn't talking about service. I was talking about their sales. I'm not saying that I expect to go there and they're gonna give me a huge deal. I'm saying that in comparison to the time before they were sold to Eriksen, they don't care as much about making sales. And you cant compare something like a steak to a $20,000+ vehicle. |
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| Timmie_G |
the only comparison being made was the concept.
A price is a price why should anyone be more deserving of a lower one than anyone else |
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| 3rdgen1 |
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Originally posted by NewDynasty
I was at Sundance Mazda yesterday and chatted with one of the service attendants. We talked about rotaries and he showed me a 2007 RX-8 that needed a new engine. 2007! :eek:
Sundance Mazda is good. Only thing that bothered me is the front desk lady didn't ask for my ID (she has never seen me before). No point having a secured lot if anyone is given keys haha.
did he tell you there is a turbo on it :dunno: |
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| MixManMash |
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Originally posted by 4kruzn
on fine example is 05-06 g35 nissans......sorry infinity... motors replaced under warrenty for excessive oil consumption. most under 25,000kms.
I know the early VQ35DE's had blocks that were quite porous and it would sweat the oil out.
The problem typically with oil consumption on the VQ35DE's is due to improper breakin. You need about 20000 to 25000 kms on regular oil for these motors to break in properly as they are built super slippery out of the factory. Takes much longer for everything to seat and bed properly. |
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| GT45 |
Sorry to hear about your luck. I've given park mazda shit more than once for overfilling my oil when I take it in for oil changes. I hate going there, but I'm too lazy to drive it to another dealership for oil changes to keep the warranty up.
The last time I was in for an oil change the sticker said to come back 8,000 km's after for another one. And it's been like that since I bought the car. So I've been doing my own oil changes in between the recommened ones.
Watch out what kind of gas you use to0. Do not use the discount shit. Bad oil and lack of high rpm runs aren't the only cause for carbon diposits. You use shitty gas and it'll wind up on those seals and wreck shit. But that's why I bought a rotary with warranty. |
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| Texmex |
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Originally posted by Timmie_G
Why must people always expect to get a deal, or a reduced price when getting servicing done. If a mistake was made fine then some sort of compensation should be given, if nothin went wrong then there should be no discount.
You don't go to wal mart and ask them to give you 20% off dish soap because you don't want to pay full price do you.
When you order a Steak do you say c'mon just gut me a break here.
I'm sorry I'm not trying to pick on anyone in particular cause lots of people do it, but as a mechanic who worked at dealerships its frustrating when MY time and money is lost because someone doesn't want to pay full price when a good job is done.
QFT:thumbup: |
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| RADRIDE |
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Originally posted by 4kruzn
geesh guys you sound all surprised that a new car has a new engine....
there are thousands of new car that have had engines replaced. on fine example is 05-06 g35 nissans......sorry infinity... motors replaced under warrenty for excessive oil consumption. most under 25,000kms.
i had a mustang 5.0 replaced complete engine under warenty at 19000kms.
neons were famous for rebuilt motors under warenty. excessive piston slap..
the list can go on and on...
What are you talking about. Piston engines are bullet proof. They never break down/blow up. Never heard of such cases before.:dunno:
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| 4kruzn |
| i have a row of 6 blown up rb 20's is that proof enough.... every one knows rb's are the best engine ever..... |
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| MixManMash |
quote:
Originally posted by 4kruzn
i have a row of 6 blown up rb 20's is that proof enough.... every one knows rb's are the best engine ever.....
Come on now, what would you expect from an RB motor? There were 2 series of engines developed by Nissan circa late 80's.
The RB which stands for Really Bad.
The VG which stands for Very Good.
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| tho_chi |
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Originally posted by Mattiji
Weber mazda? shit im kinda stuck in park mazda, unless i tow but its expensive..
But i mean has anyone actually gone to Park mazda for servicing> StorieS??
My mom has a Mazdaspeed6 and it went in for an wiring issue, you could not roll up the rear driver side window from the main control panel on the drivers door, so they fixed the problem in about 2 weeks, about 1.5 weeks longer then they said. O well we got the car back. Two months later we recieve a photo radar ticket in the mail for 88km/h in a 50km/h zone in Sherwood Park. We live in the southwest of Edmonton and rarely go to the park. So we check the date and notice that the car was in the dealerships possession. So we call the dealership and ask them about it, they deny everything at first. Which makes the situation worse, finally they fess up and claimed they wanted to make sure the car was mechanically sound so they took it for a drive and that they were sorry for the trouble caused. The issue has yet to be resolved.. They paid the ticket but that is not enough, they took us for complete idiots and blaitantly lied to our face. |
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| Mattiji |
Wow now im really concerned, fuck i bet id have better luck assembling the motor myself then let some noob touch it..... fuk plus a rebuild so its problary been sitting on the shelf for awhile which could mean build up of shitty ass oil or carbon.. I know the guy from park mazda said that one reason why the new motor went was the didnt try to manual spin the crank before to make sure the seals were still in good condition, and the build up inside lead the seals to cracking ..
Btw i make sure to run the on the highway at least 20% of time every fill with 91 octane, usually shell, running about 6500-7500 rpm or so. I know not to baby the shit out of it, but i dont wanna bag it either. Even though their meant for higher rev capabilities.
So after the re-installed new motor should i get the car inspected by another mazda dealership to make sure it all good? |
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| MixManMash |
quote:
Originally posted by Mattiji
So after the re-installed new motor should i get the car inspected by another mazda dealership to make sure it all good?
Drive it. If it falls apart, go back to them. They should warranty their work. |
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| GT45 |
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Originally posted by Mattiji
Btw i make sure to run the on the highway at least 20% of time every fill with 91 octane, usually shell, running about 6500-7500 rpm or so. I know not to baby the shit out of it, but i dont wanna
The only thing that takes a hit I've found with high reving is your wallet from gas consumption and the stock ignition system. It's a weak link, it's pretty common to have issues with it. I'm having issues after only 40k. No biggie, that's what warranty's for. And that's why I bought the 8.
That and because I like paying for overpriced spark plugs. |
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| Mattiji |
Thats comforting, awaitin till another engine goes.
Anyone know the proper way to break-in method of a rotary engine? same a piston??
Though i bet the tolerances of proper break-in for engines, nowadays has greatly changed. Due to more precise equipment and better machining techniques and so forth. But i wonder to wat degree? who knows?
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| spiff_d |
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Originally posted by deathwarden5
I wasn't talking about service. I was talking about their sales. I'm not saying that I expect to go there and they're gonna give me a huge deal. I'm saying that in comparison to the time before they were sold to Eriksen, they don't care as much about making sales. And you cant compare something like a steak to a $20,000+ vehicle.
I see both sides of the issue. I work in parts based off commission, there for giving a deal is cutting out of my pay.
However, when when you're selling common replacement parts (CV Joints, Alternators, ect ect) and getting a bill for $600+ on parts alone, you're going to put up a stink regardless. There paying for OEM quality, and then theres being raped.
Most dealerships usually have a discount in place (Over $500 = 5% off, over $1000 = 10% off ect ect) to keep a customer happy. That small of a discount usually keeps you the customer happy, and saves the parts/service department from suffering a loss.
Be thankful you have warranty on your RX8. Replacing that engine wouldn't be cheap if you had to pay out fo your pocket. |
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| ehos |
How does a brand new reman fail at startup? I find that REALLY difficult to believe. Is this another stealership lie?
Did you see the new reman? Or are they just stalling you?
I've been on clubrx7, read alot of posts, but a 0 mile reman tossing apex seals? Wat? Or did I misread your post? |
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| xbr50 |
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Originally posted by RADRIDE
What are you talking about. Piston engines are bullet proof. They never break down/blow up. Never heard of such cases before.:dunno:
R.K.
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| spiff_d |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
How does a brand new reman fail at startup? I find that REALLY difficult to believe. Is this another stealership lie?
Did you see the new reman? Or are they just stalling you?
I've been on clubrx7, read alot of posts, but a 0 mile reman tossing apex seals? Wat? Or did I misread your post?
It could very well be a case where at installation it wasn't set up. or on the first warm up, something wasn't properly secured.
Just because it's brand new doesn't always mean it's not going to break. I wouldn't call it a common occurance, but it does happen where from factory, the engine is kaput. |
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| theboss |
This is Curtis. I'm the guy at Park Mazda that has been dealing with this matter personally. This situation does suck, and I do feel bad for Matt. But some of you need to realize, this has nothing to do with our service. We diagnosed the car as required by our Mazda Warrenty policy. The #1 coil was shot, and needed to be replaced regardless. We now know this was most likely the cause of the engine being blown in the first place. After we found the vehicle needed a new engine, we ordered one priority from mazda. It got here and was a poor build and obviously didn't run well at all. Found a broken apex seal on the front rotor and ordered another engine.
We are not stalling on it. Why would I do that? I want Matt to have his car back as badly as he does. If he wants to come by and see his old engine he can. It's in the box the new one came in. This is a faulty part problem, not a service problem. These things happen.
I don't appreciate the slander that is being tossed around about this company. Things could be better, yes. But things could also be much worse. Every dealership/company has their problems. Mistakes happen and we do our best to correct it.
I wish this was solved by now. But like I told Matt, we are doing everything we can at this time. It comes down to Mazda Canada's parts delivery. The sooner we get the second new engine in, the sooner it will be done.
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| Mattiji |
Hey Curtis im glad u approached the situation, about the forum and i apologize if u think this is a direct conflict to u or with our company. Due to the circumstance i thought it was nessesary to ask of people opinions or the dealings with Park Mazda or Mazda Canada. I hope people dont assume that Park Mazda is to blame, this is a complicated situation due to delivery from mazda canada, but i admit im concered about the time period and duty assigned to individuals though it like any strange working on ur car, everyone worries. Hopefully things will sort themselves out, if we get the chance this week ill stop by after work to check out the car and the progress. Again i stress the point that Park Mazda is doing all they can and im glad that Curtis is addresses all the issues, but of coarse im upset at the time managment and factor of the reman being sent out (that was fautly) again due to Mazda Canada.
Thanks guys for ur replies,
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| CamroseFC |
You may not appreciate it, but thankfully we live in a free country and such talk on the internet certainly doesn't constitute slander. Maybe you'd care to chime back in and explain what you think is slanderous...
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Originally posted by theboss
This is Curtis. I'm the guy at Park Mazda that has been dealing with this matter personally. This situation does suck, and I do feel bad for Matt. But some of you need to realize, this has nothing to do with our service. We diagnosed the car as required by our Mazda Warrenty policy. The #1 coil was shot, and needed to be replaced regardless. We now know this was most likely the cause of the engine being blown in the first place. After we found the vehicle needed a new engine, we ordered one priority from mazda. It got here and was a poor build and obviously didn't run well at all. Found a broken apex seal on the front rotor and ordered another engine.
We are not stalling on it. Why would I do that? I want Matt to have his car back as badly as he does. If he wants to come by and see his old engine he can. It's in the box the new one came in. This is a faulty part problem, not a service problem. These things happen.
I don't appreciate the slander that is being tossed around about this company. Things could be better, yes. But things could also be much worse. Every dealership/company has their problems. Mistakes happen and we do our best to correct it.
I wish this was solved by now. But like I told Matt, we are doing everything we can at this time. It comes down to Mazda Canada's parts delivery. The sooner we get the second new engine in, the sooner it will be done.
- Curtis
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| ritesh |
| I worked at Park Mazda used, sorry to say this but I can't imagine why people would buy a rx-8. It wasn't uncommon to get in used rx-8s that had sluggish trannys or apex seals gone bad. I don't know if it was people driving the shits out of them and/or poor maint but usually most used rx-8s had some kinda repairs needed to be done. I remember one that had the whole interior stripped over electrical problems too. |
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| qtrmile |
| if i was on your shoes, i will probably make a scene on the shop. They didn't do what they're suppose to do. Let them do some actions that can lessen your miseries. |
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| aarrgghh |
| "I resent that, its not slander. When it's in witting its libel." J. Jonah Jameson from Spiderman :) |
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| ehos |
I appreciate a rep from the dealership chiming in.
However, you are using the incorrect term. It's 'libel' that you are thinking of (not slander, that's mostly for speech).
Also, it's not legally 'libel' because no one here has stated their OPINION to be fact and tried a defamation (of character I presume?). There is only personal opinions being stated here and that, thankfully is still allowed in our free speech.
If you don't like the OPINIONS on this public forum, you are free to ignore the posts in question. |
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| vpr123_west |
| i like how the writes a whole paragraph and all you comment on his a grammatical/spelling mistake thread fail :drama: |
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| 3rdgen1 |
quote:
Originally posted by ritesh
I worked at Park Mazda used, sorry to say this but I can't imagine why people would buy a rx-8. It wasn't uncommon to get in used rx-8s that had sluggish trannys or apex seals gone bad. I don't know if it was people driving the shits out of them and/or poor maint but usually most used rx-8s had some kinda repairs needed to be done. I remember one that had the whole interior stripped over electrical problems too.
big statment but i have to say the mx-5 is a better choose any day.
btw what is a sluggish trannys :dunno: |
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| deathwarden5 |
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Originally posted by AudiInProgress
penis
I concur!!! |
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| Destrukt |
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Originally posted by AudiInProgress
penis
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
thats the post i was looking for |
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| AudiInProgress |
I aim to please!
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| GQsmooth |
| why are you crying? It's covered my warranty:dunno: Your not paying anything, so let them do their work.. |
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