| superpirate25 |
| What's the deal with busses? Not a day goes by that I don't see some bus driver driving around like a jacka$$. They speed constantly and seem to cut people off at will. Are they above the law? I've never in my life witnessed a bus driver getting pulled over. Sure they have a schedule to keep, but so do I. I can't speed everywhere I go and not get a ticket. Today I had a bus riding my a$$ through a school zone! He was definitely going at least 50 until he came up to me. I live right near a playground zone as well and I have never seen a bus drive 30 through it. I am compelled to believe that a bus nailing a kid would be a lot more harmful than a small car so what do they think they're doing? [/rant] |
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| Helios |
| I saw a bus get a red light flash the other day, but i somehow dont think that they will have to pay the ticket. Although the driver DID run the red fair and square. |
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| 96MX6 |
Guy next door was a bus driver and he said they post stuff in the lunch room when a bus driver gets a speeding ticket or other ticket. He says it doesn't happen often, but it does still happen.
I was complaining in Vancouver how in the bus drivers are jack asses and switch into left hand lanes with out looking. Everyone there agreed that there was a law that gave them right of way. I was almost run over twice!! :thefinger: |
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| Helios |
| Right of way or not, it doesnt give them a bloody right to blindly run your ass over! |
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| Flex |
| Why would the city (city police) give the city (city buses) a ticket???? :wacko: |
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| colossus |
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Originally posted by superpirate25
What's the deal with busses? Not a day goes by that I don't see some bus driver driving around like a jacka$$. They speed constantly and seem to cut people off at will. Are they above the law? I've never in my life witnessed a bus driver getting pulled over. Sure they have a schedule to keep, but so do I. I can't speed everywhere I go and not get a ticket. Today I had a bus riding my a$$ through a school zone! He was definitely going at least 50 until he came up to me. I live right near a playground zone as well and I have never seen a bus drive 30 through it. I am compelled to believe that a bus nailing a kid would be a lot more harmful than a small car so what do they think they're doing? [/rant]
I couldn't agree more. Bus drivers are dangerous, some even reckless. What I hate the most is how they plow into the left lane from a stop with no regard for trafiic. They cut you off and don't give a sh@t if it could cause an accident. I remember when I was kid riding on the ETS, the bus driver didn't give two sh@ts and pulled away even if ppl were running to catch the bus, at one stop he pulled away before a little old lady got off and her jacket got caught in the back door and she was taken for a drag, before the busriders yelled at the driver and forced him to stop. The lady was traumatized to say the least. The bus driver then forced everyone to get off the bus while he tried to figured out what to do (or how to cover his ass). What an ass. Edmonton Transit :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
While I'm at it I'll add TAXI drivers to that list, esp. Yellow Cab taxi's. Some of those guys look like they never took a driving course and just walked off a boat! :thumbsdown: |
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| 98 teg |
| As for bus rivers if get get the bus number and time and where you can phone in and complain, and they do follow up on it. |
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| redbaron303 |
| I know of one bus driver who nearly cause a 4 car pile up involving me.... needless to say, she doesn't drive busses any more... |
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| Pro Drag |
| I heard a rumor that city bus' don't carry insurance either. No licence plate that I have ever noticed either. Are they exempt and why? |
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| Lll_J |
Ok forgive me for my lack of bridge names but, I was going down 109th (towards downtown) last summer on a friday night, and down the hill towards the "wobbly" bridge as I call it, well I was just at that intersection at the bottom of the hill, when a city bus fuckin flew by me going at least twice my spead, and I was doing the speed limit. The light turned red and I stopped and his bus lane ends at that intersection but he proceded to fly through the red and into the merge lane across the intersection. If the light was still green and I had crossed the intersection I think he would of slammed into me, cause he would of had nowhere to go. He was goin to fast. I was with a freind too, so Im not crazy, haha.
Just thought Id share my story, I know it must suck to drive in that traffic all day, but thats no excuse to be an asshole.
Jordna |
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| TrevorK |
Funny thing is - a lot of times whenever there's an accident with the bus you can't do any better than 50-50.
They're even exempt from the traffic circle rules. |
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| Honda_Honey |
| I totally agree with you guys on this, just last year a bus nearly side swiped me!. I was clearly in the left lane and was right next to the bus when he switched lanes w/o evening checking!!!! :wtf: Luckly there was no oncoming traffic and i made a quick left to avoid, what might have been a messy situation. |
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| REFLUX |
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Originally posted by TrevorK
They're even exempt from the traffic circle rules.
I know "I" sure as hell didn't learn that in my AMA driver's training.
Anyone else learn all the laws that buses are exempt from before/during/AFTER they got their driver's license????
*looks around and sees NO ONE* |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by REFLUX
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Originally posted by TrevorK
They're even exempt from the traffic circle rules.
I know "I" sure as hell didn't learn that in my AMA driver's training.
Anyone else learn all the laws that buses are exempt from before/during/AFTER they got their driver's license????
*looks around and sees NO ONE*
Buses are allowed to go around the outside lane of the traffic circle because they pick up passengers the whole way around.
Call up the ETS (Or EPS) and ask them - they'll tell you the same thing.
There is NO WAY for the bus to pick up passengers throughout the traffic circle without this, because you can't physically (Maybe legally I'm not sure, but physical limitations would prohibit it) change lanes in a traffic circle.
You're more than welcome to sit at the NAIT traffic circle and watch the drivers. If it was so illegal they would not be doing it every day all the time - and get away with it no matter how many accidents it causes.
*Anyone else think that drivers training teaches you absolutely everything about driving?* |
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| REFLUX |
TrevorK: I guess you missed my point...what I was trying to say is that how are average citizen's supposed to know that a bus has the right of way in a certain situation when other normal drivers don't??
Going back to your circle example:
Outside lanes must give right of way to the inside lanes, if a bus is going around in a circle picking people up and someone on the INSIDE lane signals to leave the circle, begins to leave and the bus hits THEM....who is at fault???
You see my point now? ETS & the bus driver will start saying that it is LEGAL for buses to do that, but the car driver will say that the INSIDE lane has right of way.
I would think that something that occurs everyday in your life (driving around buses) would be something important enough for the Alberta Motor Association to bring into their educating of future drivers. They teach us about pulling over when police cruisers & ambulances have their alarms on, the next official City of Edmonton vehicle would be a BUS...but nothing about THEM! |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by REFLUX
TrevorK: I guess you missed my point...what I was trying to say is that how are average citizen's supposed to know that a bus has the right of way in a certain situation when other normal drivers don't??
Going back to your circle example:
Outside lanes must give right of way to the inside lanes, if a bus is going around in a circle picking people up and someone on the INSIDE lane signals to leave the circle, begins to leave and the bus hits THEM....who is at fault???
You see my point now? ETS & the bus driver will start saying that it is LEGAL for buses to do that, but the car driver will say that the INSIDE lane has right of way.
I would think that something that occurs everyday in your life (driving around buses) would be something important enough for the Alberta Motor Association to bring into their educating of future drivers. They teach us about pulling over when police cruisers & ambulances have their alarms on, the next official City of Edmonton vehicle would be a BUS...but nothing about THEM!
I agree, of course the average citizen wouldn't know that a bus has the right of way in certain instances - hell, I see everyday that they don't know what a traffic circle is (I just use that example because I work at NAIT and am forced to drive through it daily).
You're absolutely correct - the outside lane yields to the inside lane. And when the inside lane exits, the outside lane has to yield (Since technically they shouldn't be in their for more than one exit I believe?).
However, in the case of the bus you can't just run into them. I've asked insurance companies about this (I could care less who the cops say is at fault - all I care about is the insurance company) and they said that the bus is in the right, and the driver is supposed to yield. And that the driver in the car is charged as at fault. One adjustor I talked to said the only other thing he's done besides total at fault for the car driver is get a 50-50.
That would be a good addition to this board - an insurance adjustor to answer these type of questions. Might be as valuable as Jim, since we all have insurance questions.
Agree - a valid point. People NEED to be educated on how to drive around a bus. They are ALWAYS cutting into lanes, swerving to make that left they need to make. I don't know what parts of that are legal, but I think people need to at least be taught how to act around them. Let's face it - it's tough to shoulder-check when you're driving a bus. |
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| Al36rx7 |
Considering how many buses are out there, I think for the most part the bus drivers do a pretty good of signaling for lane changes (here in Calgary), but they are very aggressive with being let into the lane if you are driving beside them and didn't see there side signal light that was blocked by your passenger pillar.
In a traffic circle on the west end a few years ago, I had to drive over the boulavard (sp?), and on the grass to avoid a bus that never checked their mirrors. He felt my lane was better than his to drive in. I was on the inside lane (originally), and he was on the outside. It's an awful feeling when all you see is the side of a large bus a foot or so away from the side of your car. |
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| vr6T |
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Outside lanes must give right of way to the inside lanes, if a bus is going around in a circle picking people up and someone on the INSIDE lane signals to leave the circle, begins to leave and the bus hits THEM....who is at fault???
haha, that is funny. Whens the last time you saw a busstop in a traffic circle?, you never see busstops with 100 ft. if a bus hits you, he hits you, its the drivers fault, not 50-50. The same as a police car or any other vehicle. If you are driving the speed limit in "your" lane and a bus just pulls out and hits you, there is NO insurance company that is going to EAT the cost to fix the bus, or your car ... haha, insurance companies aren't billion dollar companies because they like to give money away ;)
I NEVER let a bus intimidate me by pulling out just as I'm about to pass them because I'm going to be pissed off 5 seconds later when they pull over at the next busstop, and make me stop. I hold my ground, and they always slam on the brakes. I drove a logging truck for 7 years, and you didn't see people getting out of my way so I could remain on schedule. Maybe if the bus drivers drove with respect, people wouldn't mind treating them with some, but they ARE the worst drivers on the road. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by vr6T
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Outside lanes must give right of way to the inside lanes, if a bus is going around in a circle picking people up and someone on the INSIDE lane signals to leave the circle, begins to leave and the bus hits THEM....who is at fault???
haha, that is funny. Whens the last time you saw a busstop in a traffic circle?, you never see busstops with 100 ft. if a bus hits you, he hits you, its the drivers fault, not 50-50. The same as a police car or any other vehicle. If you are driving the speed limit in "your" lane and a bus just pulls out and hits you, there is NO insurance company that is going to EAT the cost to fix the bus, or your car ... haha, insurance companies aren't billion dollar companies because they like to give money away ;)
I NEVER let a bus intimidate me by pulling out just as I'm about to pass them because I'm going to be pissed off 5 seconds later when they pull over at the next busstop, and make me stop. I hold my ground, and they always slam on the brakes. I drove a logging truck for 7 years, and you didn't see people getting out of my way so I could remain on schedule. Maybe if the bus drivers drove with respect, people wouldn't mind treating them with some, but they ARE the worst drivers on the road.
Actually, if you'd drive around the traffic circle of 97th street (The NAIT traffic circle) there ARE BUS STOPS in the circle.
If you believe that you won't be at least given partial fault for hitting a bus in the outside lane of a traffic go ahead and do it.
But don't come back here and bitch about your insurance going up because the accident was declared partially (or completely) your fault. |
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