| REFLUX |
anyone got some info/links about them? Forums would be good too :)
I've never had an interest in Porsches, don't know why...maybe it's because they seem too "yuppie?"
Just thought I should learn something about them ;) |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| ask away terry |
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| TheWask |
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Originally posted by REFLUX
anyone got some info/links about them? Forums would be good too :)
I've never had an interest in Porsches, don't know why...maybe it's because they seem too "yuppie?"
Just thought I should learn something about them ;)
Do a search on Kazza for "Top Gear 911 Turbo" Just f@cking sick! |
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| REFLUX |
from the Rennlist site:
If this is what Porsche's are all about........*drool*
Matt: What makes a Porsche so good? Is it lightweight? Structural rigidity? Delivery of power? Reliability? Bling? Weight distribution?
Like...every car has a unique aspect about it that sets it apart from others...what is/are Porsche's "unique" aspects? |
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| REFLUX |
oh and wtf are the model differences?
928?
996?
993? etc |
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| Type. K |
| all the 9 codes are different cars for instance 928 is the only v8 porsche ever made.. and it is my personal favorite :D And the reason porsche is so good is cause of almost anything to do with speed mixed with a bit of luxury. If you look back at Porsche/ Audi racing history you see that they kick ass at almost any racing they try, and apply all that they learn from the racing cars into their street cars. |
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| REFLUX |
I've found a few porsche forums...they all seemed to be divided into: Air Cooled and Water cooled
I am assuming that has to do with forced induction...but not ALL porsches are turboed/sc'd are they??? there HAS to be some N/A porsches
unless they are referring to air cooled as both air-to-air intercoolers AND n/a....*shrug*
never heard of a water cooled n/a before |
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| mrprecidia |
| almost all cars are na water cooled :wacko: |
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| REFLUX |
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Originally posted by mrprecidia
almost all cars are na water cooled :wacko:
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water cooled as in "uses coolant???" |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
What makes Porsches so good? German engineering. Most engines produced for the Porsche were bullet-proof, these things were track ready as they were, just throw on a passenger seat, an interior and headlights and there's your road legal porsche. the lightweight body, torquey air-cooled engine, high revvin, 50/50 weight distribution (or damn close).. these things were AMAZING handling cars, I've yet to be in a car that could even compare to this in handling. It take a REAL skilled driver to take em on the track but I'll give you a for instance.. I took a 90 degree corner at about 80 kph and the tires didn't even squeal :D Structural rigidity? amazing, slap on an aluminum elephant racing strut tower bar, some newer bilstein shocks, some better torsion bars, 930 rear end and brakes like mine and an older 911 ('72-78) will eat even a TT at the track. Delivery of power is about a 15% loss to the wheels being a rear engine deal there's less loss in the drivetrain area. reliability.... well it depends, get a 3.2L, do some necessary upgrades, don't drive the piss out of it but drive it like a porsche and do your regular summer maintenance (1-2000) and it'll last a long long long time, my engine lasted almost 25 yrs. w/o any minor/major work done to it and the 2.7's are notorious for failure. Bling? Man don't even look at one until you're making high 5 digits, 6 grand for a rebuild, 12 for a complete overhaul, 8 grand for a new engine, 2000 for a brembo brake system minus calipers, 200 EACH for torsion bars, 190 for a wheel alignment, supply v.s demand, as soon as you say porsche bam they up it 200%, but my jaguar was more expensive then a porsche, a 944 is a cheap way to go if you want a decent handling car
928 is the v8 porsche, damn high top speed 300kph+, fairly quick, a unique car in the porsche family
996 is the new water-cooled body style
993 is a step down from the 996
924 is the base model narrow body porsche, 944 is the wide-body version
968 is the updated 944 look
911/912.. you know this already, 912 is the 4 cyl. 911 version
356 is the original porsche, looks like a karman ghia sorta
917 is their le mans flat-12 1000 h.p+ porsche, stupid fast and quite possibly and arguably the best engine ever made
911S - Sport, a bit more horsies
911T targa top version
911 sc - super coupe, didn't start until '78 (body style change)
911 turbo, there are no sc turbo or s turbo's in the original and 2nd/3rd gens, the turbo s is a new thing i.e water cooled era.
porsche 911's were air cooled until '94/96 when the body style changed to the new one which i think is probably uglier then the old school 911's :thumbsdown:
www.flat-6.net is a good porsche forum with pics and examples of all the porsche makes/models |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
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Originally posted by REFLUX
I've found a few porsche forums...they all seemed to be divided into: Air Cooled and Water cooled
I am assuming that has to do with forced induction...but not ALL porsches are turboed/sc'd are they??? there HAS to be some N/A porsches
unless they are referring to air cooled as both air-to-air intercoolers AND n/a....*shrug*
never heard of a water cooled n/a before
when they say "water cooled" they mean coolant, my porsche was air-cooled like the old beetles.. think of a porsche as a beetle with balls and a face lift :D |
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| REFLUX |
I do not understand air-cooled or beetles or face lifts
(see how ignorant I am to Porsches??? :D)
Oh & thanks Matt for the well detailed info!!! I'm browsing flat-6 right now :) |
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| mrprecidia |
| Air cooled engines use an air to air fin tube heat exchanger they don't have the cooling capacity of a water heat exchanger. There primary benefit is there light weight. Hence why they are used on true sports cars like porsche. The downfal of air cooled motors is if you plan to add more Hp to the motor you may surpass the cooling capaity of the heat exchanger. |
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| JustinL |
air cooled is kind of a misnomer... they are actually oil cooled. Instead of coolant and radiators, they use oil and oil coolers. In the late 90s, porsche started to use water cooling in all of their models (Boxster, 996 (911)).
Porsche has almost always had the 911 as the flagship and this model has always been in the line up. It has however gone through many different numberings. 911, 930 (turbo), 964, 993,996, and next years 998. This is why you will hear people refer to 996TT, which is actually the newest incarnation of the 911 turbo.
The 4cyl watercooled is where my expertise lies. The 924 was the first of these and had been designed by porsche sold to audi and then bought back and produced. The engine is an audi engine in teh 924. In 1982 they took a turbo widebody 924 to Lemans and did VERY well with it. This widebody eventually became the 944. The 944 engine is a porsche engine, but shares many of the lines with the 924. In 1986, they released the 944 turbo, which was the fastest and most expensive 4cyl car ever produced up until then. In 1988, they released a special edition Turbo S car that was based on the turbo Cup race car. This car was basically a race car out of the box with huge 928 brakes, bigger turbo, stronger chassis and engine as well as an upgraded suspension. This car (incidentally I own one :) ) was the peak of the 944 line. The 968 was released to replace the 944 series, and was dropped back to an N/A engine and the exterior was restyled. A Turbo RS 968 was produced in very limited numbers (15) because it destroyed the 911 turbos (flagship) in every test. This is where the 968 line ended and was replaced by the Boxster (986).
Thats a quick history of the watercooled 4cyl. If you want more, just let me know, I got hours of this crap!
Justin |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| your 944 turbo s's made my 911 turbo's look bad in every aspect of the road and track :thefinger: correct me if i'm wrong justin but a rsr porsche could eat the 944 turbo s? |
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| christempo |
Could somebody tell me what RSR stood for? Was it a race version of the 911 turbo at the time? or was it like the 959? or perhaps turbo cup 951?
I don't recall seeing that one on rennlist or a pelican parts forum... |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
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Originally posted by christempo
Could somebody tell me what RSR stood for? Was it a race version of the 911 turbo at the time? or was it like the 959? or perhaps turbo cup 951?
I don't recall seeing that one on rennlist or a pelican parts forum...
the rsr came out before the turbo or the 959/951, this was their cup racing car, the '74 911 RSR America, 500ish h.p out of a 2.2L :D rsr means ummm really sporty racer? :unsure:
porsche rsr |
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